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Re:Following Elon Musk’s lead, Big Tech is surrendering to d... by hotdogscout on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:22AM (#37273690)
How can you have peer-reviewed papers about classified information? China allowed a small team to analyze a glimpse of data while leaks show that team constantly referencing the Nature editorial and "China" not allowing dissent from a natural origin conclusion. Even after the paper was published the team was scared for their careers because at any moment a whistleblower could come out.

The people who were asking for transparecy were to be dismissed by the team under the "conspiracy theorist" label.

https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/why-proximal-origins-mu...

Re:Following Elon Musk’s lead, Big Tech is surrendering to d... by karmakurtisaani on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:43AM (#37273848)
Edit: writing in a hurry, have to read the link more carefully.

Ok, so the case is a pretty decent edge case. However, I wrote "deliberately going against science", which I don't see happening here. Here, people did more science disagreeing with other science (if you can call it that). In this case the first "research" seems to have an agenda and should indeed warrant criticism. And the criticism is good with data to back it up.

The same does not happen with climate denialists for example - just plain old misinformation with an agenda. They are free to publish papers, yet don't seem to be able to, at least with convincing results.

Re:Following Elon Musk’s lead, Big Tech is surrendering to d... by hotdogscout on Saturday August 26, 2023 @12:00PM (#37273983)
A distilled version of the strongest points of this discussion is in this post (in my opinion).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36946171#36948005

Re:Following Elon Musk’s lead, Big Tech is surrendering to d... by karmakurtisaani on Saturday August 26, 2023 @12:16PM (#37274144)
Sorry, I updated my reply after thinking a bit more carefully.

To put my point in short: I don't think we should call something that has data to back it up and the intention to get to the truth misinformation in the context of this discussion. Regardless how it's labelled by authorities.

Re:Following Elon Musk’s lead, Big Tech is surrendering to d... by hotdogscout on Saturday August 26, 2023 @02:34PM (#37275583)
>something that has data to back it up and the intention to get to the truth misinformation

It's hard to infer people's intention. Maybe I'm being naive but I think even flat earthers have the earnest intention of getting to the truth and use data and observations.

My algorithm to deal with untruth is engaging with everyone and asking for clarification/evidence. To me creating a blanket label for "people you should never listen to" is dangerous.