Re:Luckily I got hit by a car
by steveBK123 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:42AM
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Yeah, that's sort of where I am on bikes v cars debate.
There's reckless bikers and reckless motorists, but the reckless motorists are obviously far more dangerous to others.
However, the rationalizing I see from some cyclists is like "just world fallacy" level stuff to me. I've seen enough stupidity on the road to understand that using a bike in mixed traffic is an extremely at-your-own-risk situation, and regardless of what the laws are, it doesn't matter if you're dead. Drunks/distracted drivers and random accidents don't care what the law says.
NYC has a half decent (especially in North Brooklyn) network of concrete barrier protected bike lanes, and yet I still see a tremendous number of cyclists going wrong way, and/or on unprotected roads literally 1 block from the pristine protected bike network, helmetless, playing with their phones, etc.
As someone who occasionally drives in the city (in order to exit/enter on weekends), the reckless disregard for their own lives is.. to me, poor risk management. And my driving is all of 1-2 miles to get from my parking garage to the nearest highway onramp (which some activists want to abolish.. which would leave me to.. drive locally, further, in more mixed traffic, for longer? lol).
I operate in the world as it is, not in the world as I imagine it should be. Cyclists are too small a minority of road users in US, even in most dense urban cities where it could/should work, for us to upend the entire transport infrastructure for them.
It reminds me as well of the Zoomers who only want climate change solved if it overturns the entire socioeconomic order away from capitalism, lol. Cool story, but do you want a solution or to be mad?
However, the rationalizing I see from some cyclists is like "just world fallacy" level stuff to me. I've seen enough stupidity on the road to understand that using a bike in mixed traffic is an extremely at-your-own-risk situation, and regardless of what the laws are, it doesn't matter if you're dead. Drunks/distracted drivers and random accidents don't care what the law says.
NYC has a half decent (especially in North Brooklyn) network of concrete barrier protected bike lanes, and yet I still see a tremendous number of cyclists going wrong way, and/or on unprotected roads literally 1 block from the pristine protected bike network, helmetless, playing with their phones, etc.
As someone who occasionally drives in the city (in order to exit/enter on weekends), the reckless disregard for their own lives is.. to me, poor risk management. And my driving is all of 1-2 miles to get from my parking garage to the nearest highway onramp (which some activists want to abolish.. which would leave me to.. drive locally, further, in more mixed traffic, for longer? lol).
I operate in the world as it is, not in the world as I imagine it should be. Cyclists are too small a minority of road users in US, even in most dense urban cities where it could/should work, for us to upend the entire transport infrastructure for them.
It reminds me as well of the Zoomers who only want climate change solved if it overturns the entire socioeconomic order away from capitalism, lol. Cool story, but do you want a solution or to be mad?