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Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by nvm0n2 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @08:50AM (#37272404)
Worth remembering that this allows unlimited censorship of social media. What kind of things do they plan to censor? "Disinformation", broadly defined. The European Commission can now censor anything it wants, globally, and has already compiled lists of things it thinks are disinformation:

Consider, for instance, some of the key “disinformation trends” listed in the EDMO’s recent 2023 briefing on disinformation in Ireland. They include “nativist narratives” that “oppose migration”, “gender and sexuality narratives” that touch on drag queens and trans issues as “part of a wider ‘anti-woke’ narrative that mocks social justice campaigns”, and “environment narratives” that criticise climate-change policies and Greta Thunberg.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/08/25/the-digital-services-act...

This gives the EU an extraordinary amount of power. The regulation of the DSA will be overseen by the Commission itself, not an independent regulator. What’s more, the DSA includes a ‘crisis-management mechanism’, added last year in a last-minute amendment. The Commission argued it needs to be able to direct how platforms respond to events like the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Apparently, in a crisis, the ‘anticipatory or voluntary nature’ of obligations on tech companies to tackle disinformation would be insufficient. Under the DSA, the Commission has given itself the power to determine whether such a ‘crisis’ exists, defined as ‘an objective risk of serious prejudice to public security or public health in the Union’.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/23/the-eus-censorship-...

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by 749339 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @08:57AM (#37272459)
"They include “nativist narratives” that “oppose migration”, “gender and sexuality narratives” that touch on drag queens and trans issues as “part of a wider ‘anti-woke’ narrative that mocks social justice campaigns”, and “environment narratives” that criticise climate-change policies and Greta Thunberg."

Normal citizens in Ireland or Europe don't talk like this. Brainwashed, sectarian minds do.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by pjc50 on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:47AM (#37272875)
Well, yes, that's why all that lot is in quotes. That's why you had a Daily Express article claiming that posters on the Tube reminding people to drink water in hot conditions were "woke"; ""anti-wokeness"" is yelling at clouds.
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by veavo on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:47AM (#37272876)
You don't need to be a sectarian person to criticise climate change policies.

Next virus we won't even be able to discuss whether we want to be vaccinated or not.

It's authoritarianism plain and simple.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by Isn0gud on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:37AM (#37273315)
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by johngladtj on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:09AM (#37273568)
The slippery slope is only a falacy if the slope isn't actually slippery
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by veavo on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:46AM (#37273870)
It wasn't even slippery to begin with: it's already happened.
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by personomas on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:26AM (#37272686)
What a nightmare. The state(s) are becoming total insane.
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by mavu on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:06AM (#37272521)
You call it "censorship", I call it fighting disinformation, fear mongering and state-actor propaganda campaigns.

I would welcome measures that go a lot further than this.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by bawolff on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:31AM (#37272748)
I hate it when people define dirty words like censorship to only mean censoring "good" things, and censoring bad things is not "censorship" but some other more positive euphamism.

Every single regime that has ever censored anything did it in their mind for the "good" of the people to protect them from negative influences.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by oaiey on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:05AM (#37273538)
And while you are right, languages and communications play with nuances like that. It is all about context.
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by kmlx on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:19AM (#37272631)
it’s censorship by the politicians of the day.

europe has been backsliding on hard won freedoms for a while. this is just part of the trend.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by scrollaway on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:28AM (#37272706)
Yawn at empty generalisations with zero backing data.
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by kmlx on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:36AM (#37272782)
right to forget, gdpr, now this. it’s a clusterfuck.
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by scrollaway on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:48AM (#37272883)
You just cited two of the most pro consumer laws in the world. I guess I know which industry you work for…
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by SV_BubbleTime on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:48AM (#37273397)
I enjoy all the website, banners, and I’m certain that my choices are being respectful fully.
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by scrollaway on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:01AM (#37273504)
Citing people breaking gdpr as a failing of the EU is like citing people speeding as a failing of traffic rules.
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday August 27, 2023 @01:05AM (#37279570)
Why wouldn’t it be plausible that some traffic rules are ineffective and we can be critical of them?
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by kmlx on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @05:46AM (#37305328)
> You just cited two of the most pro consumer laws in the world.

i guess you don't live in europe.

> I guess I know which industry you work for…

your guess is wrong.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by whatwhaaaaat on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:57AM (#37272990)
Signed up for a trade Union. Ended up in a dictatorship. Who elected Theery again???
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by oaiey on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:11AM (#37273592)
Many countries do not elect leaders but parlamentarian representants with their own freedom to elect whoever they like. While I do not appreciate the way how the commission is assembled, it is just two election representations away from the people.

The commission has a regular change of both the people in it and the election body (aka the governments). I am not to strong on the definition of dictatorship but typically you have long living single person with malicious intent on top of it. Not the case here.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by oaiey on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:17AM (#37273648)
And on topic of trade union: we are now 20 or 30 years beyond that point depending which treaty you take. When you integrate trade, you agree on rules. When you establish rules, you need a government body. When you govern the four freedoms, how much is left you do not govern. The deeper you integrate trade, the more it becomes a single construct/country/union.

Everything else is just not logically (take international trade agreement eg. US/EU agreements... These are pseudo laws which have such a worse standing everywhere... That is so much worse)

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by whatwhaaaaat on Sunday August 27, 2023 @11:17AM (#37283483)
Yeah just like I said. Voted for a trade Union - ended up in a dictatorship where some old bloke from France is telling you what you can read.

I’m not arguing about this - no one could - just commenting on the early signs of the unions breakdown.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by malermeister on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:22AM (#37273695)
> Who elected Theery again???

The people of France, when they elected the government that picked him, same way every commissioner is picked by their elected government.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by em-bee on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:28AM (#37272711)
the problem is, who gets to decide what is disinformation?

yes, there is a lot of fake news out there, and i'd rather see it go away, but i fear that the barrier to decide if something is disinformation is to low. if someone claims that something is disinformation, it is not enough to show that it contradicts some other information, but once such a conflict exist we have to go the next step and show actual evidence that one is right and the other is wrong. and the source spreading the disinformation has to be given the chance to present their evidence as well. if they can't then they may be denounced accordingly, but their spread should then only be limited, and not outright blocked so that there is still a chance to critically evaluate it.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by em-bee on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:44AM (#37272849)
here is what i would like to see:

* there must not be a single entity that is the arbiter of truth, but we need multiple independent institutions that evaluate sensitive topics and give their recommendations.

content providers may then follow any one of these institutions at their choice. (most practical would be to have regional institutions to give diversity, but content providers may follow any of them. if the french one says something is ok, and the german one says it's not, then the content may still be unrestricted even in germany)

* content must not be completely blocked but should come with a warning or be hidden. like on hackernews.

i can, if i want to, access all the dead content. it's just an extra step, and the majority won't bother with it, but the ones curious can check, and if there is something wrongly hidden they can share that.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by oaiey on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:22AM (#37273696)
The commission is subject to the courts like any other government body. The European courts have been quite in point in defending consumers and common people. IMHO no drama here.
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Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by mavu on Monday August 28, 2023 @06:04AM (#37291887)
Ahahahaha :D Thanks, made me laugh :)
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by bondarchuk on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:40AM (#37273342)
Downvoters: is what this poster says broadly not untrue or not?
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by yorwba on Saturday August 26, 2023 @10:49AM (#37273404)
Read https://edmo.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2023_EDMO-Ireland... and decide for yourself whether a chain of three people quoting and restating the parts they disagree with the most managed to produce an accurate representation.
Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by nvm0n2 on Sunday August 27, 2023 @10:51AM (#37283270)
You're insinuating that the quoted text unfairly represents the document. You shouldn't do that. If you think there's a misrepresentation, point out what explicitly, don't use slippery rhetoric.

The summaries are entirely accurate. Here are some quotes from the document itself:

(p12) The narratives propagated by right-wing extremists in Ireland are broadly aligned to a nativist ideology. Nativism is a particular construction of nationalism that advocates protecting the interests of native or indigenous inhabitants over those of immigrants. Nativist narratives have circulated for many years in Ireland, rising to prominence in tandem with wider events that are ripe for exploitation by extremists ... Some of the key narrative themes that are prominent in the current protest include: Inauthentic claims: References to “economic migrants”, “fake asylum seekers”, and “fakeugees” imply that refugees and asylum seekers are lying about the dangers they face and attempting to scam the state.

(p14) Climate change is often viewed through a conspiratorial lens that seeks to “expose” the ulterior motives behind climate action and downplay the evidence for climate change (see Figure 9). Greta Thunberg is a frequent target for abusive language and humour relating to climate change while Met Éireann weather warnings are viewed with suspicion.

(p17) Some notable characteristics of disinformation campaigns in Ireland are summarised below: Participatory memes and content templates ... Attacks on the credibility of mainstream media and journalism.

Re:The EU’s Digital Services Act is now in effect by malermeister on Saturday August 26, 2023 @11:18AM (#37273657)
Given that both of the sources he cites are infowars-level right wing rags, with headlines such as:

* Nick Dixon and Toby Young Discuss Virtue-Signalling Men Pretending to Love Women’s Football

* Official Guidelines Reveal Anti-White Racism of Sadiq Khan’s ‘Branding’ Campaign

* How woke colonised Mexico

* No, Brexit is not the cause of our economic turmoil

It doesn't really seem worth engaging with those articles.