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Re:Hacker News Guidelines by tptacek on Thursday August 24, 2023 @08:40PM (#37256408)
Have you considered asking for a refund?
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by bowsamic on Thursday August 24, 2023 @09:02PM (#37256578)
HN is free. If you paid for it, you have been scammed
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by lazyasciiart on Thursday August 24, 2023 @09:20PM (#37256689)
He knows that. I suspect he is implying that I have nothing to complain about because it is a free service, which is a pretty vacuous argument.
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by tptacek on Thursday August 24, 2023 @09:24PM (#37256725)
It's a response to your expectation of personalized service.
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by bowsamic on Friday August 25, 2023 @02:19AM (#37258683)
I think you need to take a basic class in ethics if you think ethics are determined entirely by rights and law
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by pvg on Friday August 25, 2023 @05:39AM (#37259790)
A stranger providing you a service for free doesn't have an ethical obligation to answer your emails.
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by bowsamic on Friday August 25, 2023 @08:01AM (#37260711)
Personally I think they do
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by shadowgovt on Friday August 25, 2023 @11:11AM (#37262601)
I'd be interested to learn more about the moral framework that arrives at such a conclusion.

Broadly speaking, the hacker ethos has relied on a "share and enjoy" metric, a direct reference to a bit from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. People sometimes forget that the bit goes on to offer specific suggestions for those who are receiving something for free and have complaints regarding the flavor directed at the provider.

Re:Hacker News Guidelines by bowsamic on Friday August 25, 2023 @03:57PM (#37266315)
I think that even if you offer a service for free you are obliged to offer a level of quality and support, much like how you can’t just sell poisonous ice cream. I don’t believe in “share and enjoy” and I don’t think that “warranty free” is morally good
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by shadowgovt on Friday August 25, 2023 @04:20PM (#37266544)
> you can't sell poisonous ice cream

There's licensing around selling food. I wouldn't be against "license to practice software development," but I'd note that (a) that's a very different world than the one we live in and (b) I don't know that most of the open source software we enjoy, hack on, and bemoan would exist in a universe where licensing standards made every software engineer who had authored it beholden to a minimum standard of quality before distributing it.

Would apache have survived in a world where software engineers, or their software, had to be quality-certified? Would MySQL? Would Linux?

Re:Hacker News Guidelines by bowsamic on Friday August 25, 2023 @04:49PM (#37266861)
Again, law is not morality.

> Would apache have survived in a world where software engineers, or their software, had to be quality-certified? Would MySQL? Would Linux?

Yes

Re:Hacker News Guidelines by pvg on Friday August 25, 2023 @01:32PM (#37264552)
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by bowsamic on Friday August 25, 2023 @03:57PM (#37266319)
It actually has, that sense of obligation is me, since I am the universe
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by shadowgovt on Friday August 25, 2023 @04:28PM (#37266625)
Other independent observers may disagree on your self-assessment.
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by bowsamic on Friday August 25, 2023 @04:49PM (#37266851)
If they think that I’m not the universe, they’re wrong
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by lapcat on Friday August 25, 2023 @08:35AM (#37260994)
Many or most so-called "free" services, e.g., Twitter, Facebook, etc., are a front for another money-making scheme. If you're not the customer, you're the product.

Hacker News is an advertisement for Y Combinator.

Let's not pretend that this is a charity.

Re:Hacker News Guidelines by tptacek on Friday August 25, 2023 @09:14AM (#37261341)
The operator of the service hasn't taken that haughty attitude. A fellow user of the service has. They're feeling haughtier by the minute, it seems.
Re:Hacker News Guidelines by lapcat on Friday August 25, 2023 @10:26AM (#37262099)
> They're feeling haughtier by the minute, it seems.

Who you're referring to? I'm not the one who requested a response from the moderators.

Re:Hacker News Guidelines by lazyasciiart on Monday August 28, 2023 @03:59AM (#37291140)
My expectation is that he describes his level of personalized service the same way in private emails as in public comments. If you find that expectation overly haughty, well, you know where the refund button is.