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Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by mabbo on Thursday August 24, 2023 @12:02PM (#37250495)
The country has officially asked that it be referred to and spelled that way.

If a friend asked me to refer to them with a different name, I'd sure look like a jerk if I made a point to not do so, even though I know it's their preference. Just the same, I try to remember that the country formerly spelled Turkey is now spelled Türkiye.

Perhaps someday they'll say it doesn't matter, or they prefer the old way. Today isn't that day yet.

Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by tgv on Thursday August 24, 2023 @12:10PM (#37250607)
OTOH, a country is not a conscious, communicating being that's sensitive about its name. The name change follows a decision by a few civil servants and politicians.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by TheRealPomax on Thursday August 24, 2023 @02:28PM (#37252750)
Yes, that's what "the country" means, it's shorthand for "the government of the country".
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by readthenotes1 on Thursday August 24, 2023 @12:30PM (#37250916)
So what do you call that big country just west of France?

Exonyms have been a thing for longer than I can remember....

Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by ayhanfuat on Thursday August 24, 2023 @12:44PM (#37251156)
Meanwhile, that friend is calling everyone whatever he likes. England: İngiltere, Germany: Almanya, London: Londra, Munich: Münih.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by nurettin on Thursday August 24, 2023 @03:57PM (#37253787)
That's fine, his English friend isn't going to start calling Germany: Deutschland anytime soon.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by ayhanfuat on Friday August 25, 2023 @05:43AM (#37259811)
His English friend is not the one making childish requests so that's not relevant.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by nurettin on Saturday August 26, 2023 @09:16AM (#37272603)
It was relevant one post ago. Now the topic shifted to politics like a good twitter shitpost.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by mensetmanusman on Thursday August 24, 2023 @12:47PM (#37251214)
Or, the friend is ignorant of the constraints upon asking an entity without the tools (alphabet) to bend to their will.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by earthling8118 on Thursday August 24, 2023 @01:10PM (#37251611)
Yeah, it's an unreasonable request. I don't even know how to type that symbol. It isn't on my keyboard. Sure, I could probably find a way to type it or copy it from somewhere else. Or I could just keep calling it Turkey and move on.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by dryrun on Thursday August 24, 2023 @03:59PM (#37253808)
I find this take so odd. I presume your are from the US, which is a country with so many cultures flowing in, but from your post you will not accept that a friend of yours may have accents in their name, or that a dish may have accents in it, and will forever misspell them.

When I have friends like that (well, my brother too), I make a point of typing it the way it's supposed to be written, out of courtesy and fun and proudness, like I'm clever enough to type any character I want with my keyboard, because I master it and I master other languages. The day I'll learn how to type Chinese characters fluently, I'll be so happy ! Not to boast, but it will mean I unlocked a whole new world!

Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by mensetmanusman on Thursday August 24, 2023 @06:24PM (#37255336)
That’s great of you, the burden might be different when asking hundreds of millions of people.
Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by ShrigmaMale on Thursday August 24, 2023 @11:20PM (#37257613)
yes actually? America literally doesn't use any accents so we write stuff without them. we basically never even use them on cafe, resume, words of that sort. like japanese has no L sound. so (if google translate is to be believed) their exonym for Lithuania is pronounced "Ritoania", and uses an entirely different alphabet.

if you want to learn to use endonyms for countries cool! but most people aren't interested in that level of effort for the whole world. there are ten thousand other things that occupy their minds, every one jockeying for a spot, and this being a passion of yours doesn't change that.

idk why you think there should be any different rules from this, except the general sense of anti-Americanism that seems to pervade this discussion.

Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by simiones on Friday August 25, 2023 @08:37AM (#37261007)
In human languages, each culture develops its own name for each different culture they interact with. That name is a separate concept to how the other culture calls themselves. Sometimes, the two names are relatively similar (France / France, though pronounced slightly differently), other times its completely different (Germany / Deutschland, Hungarian / Magyarország). This is a simple fact about how human languages work. The country called Turkey in English calls themselves Türkiye in their own language. They have asked certain international bodies to refer to them by that name as well, and those bodies have of course accepted. But those bodies do not "speak English", and there isn't any expectation that speakers of English should change their language as well.

Now, there is nothing wrong with calling it Türkiye in your own everyday speech, but it is not any kind of sign of good manners - it's simply a matter of personal taste. You'd still probably call their language "Turkish", while they call it "Türkçe", and the people living there "Turks" or "Turkish people", when they call themselves "Türkler", and even if you didn't you'd probably use your own grammar to conjugate these words as necessary etc.

Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by ShrigmaMale on Thursday August 24, 2023 @01:56PM (#37252339)
fine. then every spanish speaker should call my country The United States of America, not Los Estados Unidos. be equal about this or don't even start.

also: i will under no circumstances use a name that my keyboard cannot type with standard American english. no one besides the new yorker uses an umlaut in our language.

Re:New ancient ape from Türkiye challenges the story of huma... by CatWChainsaw on Friday August 25, 2023 @12:06PM (#37263301)
Yeah, be equal, call Bangkok by its full name.