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Re:Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands by ClarityJones on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @10:31AM (#37236578)
Cash is money. Cash is immune to bank runs.

If you have $10,000, then you have $10,000.

If you deposit $10,000 in a bank, then you have $0 and a promise from a bank that has $1,000 and a promise (from somebody else) for $9,000.

Re:Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands by mdrzn on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @10:35AM (#37236648)
So maybe we should fix fractional reserve instead of having an issue against cash? I would rather pay $10k with a bank transfer than having to carry that much on me.
Re:Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands by ClarityJones on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @10:45AM (#37236834)
Yes, fractional reserve banking should be reformed, and that's a reasonable preference. However, my point is that it's also reasonable for people to want to have physical possession of their assets.
Re:Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands by totony on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @11:56AM (#37238011)
What if the bank doesn't allow you to make that transaction? How much delay are you willing to accept? Fees?
Re:Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands by Scarblac on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @10:44AM (#37236822)
Government insures personal bank accounts up to 100k euro. You have your 10k.
Re:Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands by volent on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @10:47AM (#37236875)
That is not true in most of Europe.

Money you deposit in a bank is guaranteed by the state up to a certain limit (often 100 000€ per person per bank).

Source (french) : https://www.ecb.europa.eu/ecb/educational/explainers/tell-me...

> Selon la réglementation européenne, ces systèmes assurent 100 000 euros par déposant. > (DeepL) According to European regulations, these systems guarantee 100,000 euros per depositor.

Re:Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands by ClarityJones on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @02:15PM (#37240018)
A guarantee is just another promise. So, you have a promise from the bank and a promise from the government.
Re:Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands by cesarb on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @10:47AM (#37236876)
> Cash is money. Cash is immune to bank runs.

> If you have $10,000 then you have $10,000.

Playing devil's advocate: that's as long as the denomination doesn't change. Once it changes (for instance Cr$ -> NCr$ -> Cz$‎ -> NCz$‎ -> Cr$‎ -> CR$‎ -> R$, and I lived through most of these changes), and you're outside of a conversion grace period (when you can take your cash to a bank and exchange it for new notes), your cash is worthless; if I find an old Cr$ bill stashed somewhere (I probably still have some), they're not worth much more than the paper they're printed on. If your money is in a bank, on the other hand, it will always be converted automatically and transparently.

(On the other hand, I also lived through the infamous "confisco da poupança" which froze most of the money in everyone's bank accounts, so I can clearly see the importance of having money outside of the reach of banks. On a third hand, I also lived through the hyperinflation times, and know that having too much of your money not deposited in an interest-bearing bank account or other similarly good investment means it will lose its value quickly.)