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Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by uoaei on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @05:30PM (#37228780)
I've heard such explorations referred to as 'reality safari' which I love. Immersing yourself in an entirely different philosophy to really feel it from the inside, to understand it completely and intuitively.

The fear many have about attempting such things mirrors the fear of e.g. psychedelic experiences -- the fear of "never coming back". Ironically, only living through this fear is what causes the bad trip in the first place. Egos, man, egos suck.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by jules22 on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @09:41PM (#37230866)
> Ironically, only living through this fear is what causes the bad trip in the first place

Where is the evidence for this? None.

> the fear of "never coming back"

Psychedelics sound like fun, but I have seen quite a few broken people on the streets, all because of them. It's not just fear, it is a serious concern.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by mistermann on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @11:30PM (#37231531)
> Where is the evidence for this? None.

When did you first realize that you are an omniscient Oracle? (I could have played this snark on most any comment you've made in this thread, fwiw - your understanding of "reality" seems highly distorted by training and language).

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by jules22 on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @04:10AM (#37233146)
I just read science, not the unsubstantiated metaphysical claims of meditation traditions.

Playing the fantasy of an "omniscient oracle" often seems to be the ego trip of popular meditation gurus today. They are all quite scientifically illiterate.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by mistermann on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:14PM (#37238291)
> Playing the fantasy of an "omniscient oracle" often seems to be the ego trip of popular meditation gurus today. They are all quite scientifically illiterate.

It is fascinating you are unable to see the irony in your comments, and also that you seem unable to be curious about whether you may have errors in your cognition.

You humans are going to end up destroying yourselves if you keep this up imho.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by jules22 on Friday August 25, 2023 @03:44AM (#37259171)
"You humans"? Have you been meditating so hard that you are now hallucinating yourself as beyond human? I can't say I am surprised.

I studied cognitive science. I know cognitive biases. I also know how meditators around me are basically drowning in them with ridiculous psychic beliefs, laughable arguments and no evidence.

I'll leave you to your imagined irony.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by mistermann on Tuesday August 29, 2023 @08:03PM (#37315873)
Yet another Perfectly Rational (yet omniscient) Human, the internet is crawling with them! Funny how they all deal primarily if not solely in rhetoric. Coincidence I guess!
Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by uoaei on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:12AM (#37232756)
I've witnessed quite a few bad trips and the failure mode corresponds well to my mental model of "ego struggles against ego death so hard the person is driven to psychosis".

Broken people on the streets are most often people with prior serious mental issues who were pushed over an edge. Typically by intense trauma (living on the street really fucking sucks for lots of reasons) but also to a lesser extent this can be drug-induced. However the drug class that usually performs this role is amphetamines ("meth psychosis"), not tryptamines or phenathylamines.

But you're clearly not willing to listen, so what use is there actually engaging here?

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by munificent on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:18PM (#37240886)
I see a lot of broken people on the streets here in Seattle, but as far as I know, most of them are because of meth or opioids, not psychedelics.