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Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by swayvil on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @02:31PM (#37226774)
Ya, the meditation scene is 99.99% pure bullshit. And that's a crime.

First job for anybody trying to figure out this stuff is to scrape away the gunk and find a pearl of truth.

You have to do your own research. There is no substitute.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by jules22 on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @05:33PM (#37228809)
> You have to do your own research.

Generally a bad idea. Usually leads to quackery, pseudoscience beliefs etc. Individuals are much worse than institutions on matters of research.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by swayvil on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @11:29AM (#37237586)
Maybe if you have a dozen peers around to compare notes.

But the subject is esoteric. Peers are in short supply.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by jules22 on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @01:49PM (#37239651)
> But the subject is esoteric. Peers are in short supply.

Yes, which is why individuals cannot do research alone. We need a well organized effort with proper subject recruitment so that there is a sufficient pool to investigate and all the research precautions are taken.

Modern research does not just happen casually and individually. It is a sophisticated activity with a lot of planning and organization.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by swayvil on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:10PM (#37240786)
The subject is esoteric therefore individuals cannot do research alone?

I don't see how that follows.

Re:How scientists are bringing advanced meditation out of th... by jules22 on Thursday August 24, 2023 @03:25PM (#37253442)
The esoteric/mystical stuff always turned out to be little more than woo. So all the more reason to do "research" in a rigorous way. Individual research ends up little more than making up things. It cannot really be called "research" at all.

The "spiritual experience" is in fact rather common. Nothing esoteric about it, only the wacky explanations of it are. There is a lot of mainstream research about it that "individual researchers" just ignore.