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Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by buro9 on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @11:37AM (#37224284)
https://c4model.com/img/c4-overview.png

That's what the argument is... and I'm in favour, there used to be such great architectural tools that were mostly UML but they did this well.

I miss Visio, it was awful but everyone used it and it improved communication.

I feel Google Suite is missing an equivalent, it's now draw.io, there's a real gap here.

Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by dragonwriter on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @11:53AM (#37224531)
> I miss Visio, it was awful but everyone used it and it improved communication.

Did it go somewhere?

(I generally prefer more declarative diagramming now — mermaidjs is my go to — but Visio is still around and widely used.)

Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by buro9 on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @01:11PM (#37225718)
> Did it go somewhere?

Lost it's ubiquity.

There was a period in which you could rely on almost everyone to have it, which made it an attractive, convenient and low friction way to share diagrams that people could edit and update.

Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by plaguuuuuu on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @07:42AM (#37234382)
it's hard to describe visio as low friction :S
Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by amanzi on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:10PM (#37240785)
I do architecture work here in NZ and Visio is still ubiquitous here - it's part of the standard design/architecture toolkit. Usually the only discussion is whether you need the Pro or Standard licence (Pro is typically only required to integrate with external data sources).
Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by hbcondo714 on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @01:23PM (#37225890)
There is still no desktop version of Visio for macOS

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/use-visio-on-a-ma...

Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by cwdegidio on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @06:59PM (#37229697)
When I need to create diagrams for anything (systems, code architecture, component design, etc) I reach for OmniGraffle on macOS. I've tried to use other tools, but it has served me well for years.
Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by DenisM on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @11:59AM (#37224597)
Have you tried Lucid Charts?
Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by oaiey on Tuesday August 22, 2023 @03:16PM (#37227320)
UML is awful when you pick up its meta stuff and try to use it 100% perfect.

Otherwise it has all critical modeling methods and established a shared visual understanding. I prefer UML any day over eg lucidchart or Visio. Not that they cannot draw an architecture but boxes are what exactly again there?

I especially like UML because there are no AWS logos and database icons. When drawing diagrams I am not there to impress how many icons I can do.

Re:Architecture diagrams enable better conversations by plaguuuuuu on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @07:42AM (#37234377)
Miro? Extremely popular from what I can tell.