To complete the context, both of those are required for free use of Docker Desktop; 250 employees and $1k revenue would still require you to license it.

EDIT: https://docs.docker.com/subscription/desktop-license/

That sounds like a bad business.

Or a government organisation. Or a charity.

Not-for-profit institutions are exempt.

Having worked in government, I don't see why they should be excluded from paying.

But I think a charity could fall under the 3rd one here.

"Examples of freely permitted usage include:

Personal projects with less than $10 million revenue per year Students and teachers (whether in an educational or professional setting) Research at not-for-profit institutions Personal contributions to non-commercial open source projects"

Second that. The crazy t&c required by gov have to be accounted for.

Which is fine.

250 employees earning the median US wage is 11 million per year to the employee before all sorts of overhead so more like 20 million in wages per year.

While true, many businesses are not US or staffed by the median waged US employee

250 employees earning the average AR wage (542400 ARS/year) is around 360000 USD per year. You can pay 10 average AR workers for the wage of a single US minimum wage worker.

Respectfully, I had no idea what you were talking about without a few google searches.

AR == Argentinian Peso

542k ARS == $1600 USD

So I guess I’ll ask some questions:

1) Is the Argentinian software labor pool large and organized enough to be accessible to international firms?

2) Is this the average wage of a software developer in Argentina? Or some larger group?

3) Why is this relevant in this discussion?

> AR == Argentinian Peso

Nope, ISO 4217 says it's ARS.

AR is the ISO 3166 contry code for Argentina.

> 1) Is the Argentinian software labor pool large and organized enough to be accessible to international firms?

Yes?

> 2) Is this the average wage of a software developer in Argentina? Or some larger group?

Average wage of Argentina.

> 3) Why is this relevant in this discussion?

People like to think people only live in the US.

I worked with some great Argentine contractors some years ago, I understand there is a nontrivial offshoring software labor pool.

There is a point that offshore contractors getting access to such software represents a ... larger proportion of compensation, especially among the several such SaaS per-user fees most tech companies will pay.

But there's also a counterpoint... docker wants somewhere between $5 and $30 US dollars per month per user, yes this is annoying because the value doesn't seem to be there for docker desktop which is all most people want anyway... on the other hand it's not such a moral issue... it's not much money at all.

>250 employees and $1k revenue

what is this, the world's most overstaffed lemonade stand?

Rarely does an HN comment make me laugh. Well done.

> Seems like they can afford it.

This is a low bar for ethical business practices.

If lure people to my ecosystem with low prices and then jack them up later when the switching costs are high, it's fine if they can afford it?

If the electric company jacked their rates by 10X for consumers who make over 100K a year would that be fine since "they can afford it"?

Yes, because they would lose all their customers to their competitors, which is exactly what has happened to Docker.

Electric company is a bad comparison because they’re a utility and you usually can’t switch.

If grocery store A started charging $30 for walking into the store, you better bet everyone’s gonna head to grocery store B.