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Re:So You Want to Learn Physics by simonh on Sunday August 20, 2023 @07:10PM (#37203822)
Idiot who transferred from physics to computer science after year 1 here, so please make allowances. But all of those phenomena are emergent. Shouldn’t physics focus much more on the underlying micro states and micro processes than the emergent phenomena?

Obviously there needs to be a transition, but at some point you go from physics to engineering. I suppose it depends what specialty in physics you go into. Nobody can specialise in everything.

Re:So You Want to Learn Physics by BeetleB on Sunday August 20, 2023 @07:30PM (#37203938)
As GP said, continuum mechanics is often used for physics research. While not the Truth, the models can often be accurate. My own research involving transport in the quantum domain utilized some models from continuum mechanics.

(I didn't introduce it - it was already being used).

Re:So You Want to Learn Physics by jagged-chisel on Sunday August 20, 2023 @07:27PM (#37203917)
Physics: research, theorize

Engineering: practical implementation

That’s how it goes in my brain. It’s physics until we can build it reliably, then it’s engineering.

Re:So You Want to Learn Physics by tnecniv on Sunday August 20, 2023 @08:20PM (#37204217)
You could say that about a lot of topics. Heck you could say that chemistry is just an emergent phenomenon of physics.

The benefit of taking such a class or reading such a textbook is that these things have been studied extensively, we have good models for them, and it is useful to know because people are still doing fundamental research on it to this day or working on phenomena that are closely related.

Re:So You Want to Learn Physics by dhosek on Sunday August 20, 2023 @09:29PM (#37204520)
Reminds me of a student sketch from my days in nerd school, parodying Star Trek. A student dressed as one of the physics professors demonstrated that FTL travel was impossible, causing the Enterprise’s warp drives to stop functioning. It was fixed when Scotty said, “Wait, I’m an engineer: I don’t need to understand physics!”
Re:So You Want to Learn Physics by consilient on Sunday August 20, 2023 @09:36PM (#37204559)
> Shouldn’t physics focus much more on the underlying micro states and micro processes than the emergent phenomena? Obviously there needs to be a transition, but at some point you go from physics to engineering.

1. The boundaries between disciplines are where they are in part by historical accident, and in part because that's what the people working in them find useful - there is no actual fact of the matter.

2. We don't actually know the underlying microprocesses of anything. Effective theories are all we have, and there's no fundamental difference between an effective theory for the vacuum (if it is a vacuum) and one for, say, the bulk of a semiconductor.

Re:So You Want to Learn Physics by commonlisp94 on Sunday August 20, 2023 @09:57PM (#37204684)
> there is no actual fact of the matter.

This is true of all categories, so not a helpful comment. I suspect someone has a good enough definition.