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Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by tw04 on Friday August 18, 2023 @11:13AM (#37176799)
>You seem to be saying that your cabin community was able to find a solution that would not be acceptable to a large telco. Why isn't that OK? Why should the large company be forced to do something they don't want to do if, by your example, other organizations are capable of servicing those communities?

Because they're also actively lobbying to kill any local co-op formation. Successfully in many states. They tried here and got shot down, then proclaimed they were going to build out fiber themselves in the co-op's targeted service area (they didn't).

There are states where they were successful in getting laws passed preventing "wasteful government spending on broadband networks" - the end result of this will be people who literally have no possible way to EVER get broadband.

Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by tivert on Friday August 18, 2023 @11:27AM (#37176929)
> Because they're also actively lobbying to kill any local co-op formation. Successfully in many states.

How exactly do they do that?

Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by dragonwriter on Friday August 18, 2023 @11:33AM (#37177036)
I suspect the same way PG&E has fought public power expansion: channel corporate propaganda through astroturf taxpayer groups misleading about the costs.
Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by PaulDavisThe1st on Friday August 18, 2023 @12:39PM (#37178222)
In all the various ways that corporations manage to get legislation passed.

These corporations are not stopping local co-op formation. They are lobbying for laws that severely limit (and in some cases, prevent) their ability to operate.

Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by tivert on Friday August 18, 2023 @02:58PM (#37180456)
> They are lobbying for laws that severely limit (and in some cases, prevent) their ability to operate.

That's what I'm curious about. What's in those laws they're lobbying for?

Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by nobody9999 on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:09PM (#37181420)
>That's what I'm curious about. What's in those laws they're lobbying for?

See[0] for yourself. You keep "asking questions" about stuff that's decades old. It makes me wonder if you're not asking in good faith. Please prove me wrong.

[0] https://broadbandnow.com/report/municipal-broadband-roadbloc...

Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by jjoonathan on Friday August 18, 2023 @01:42PM (#37179333)
Why don't you read the article that we are supposed to be discussing and find out?
Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by speff on Friday August 18, 2023 @01:49PM (#37179455)
Right back at you? The bill in the article is a call for deregulation. Zero to do with killing competition
Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by nobody9999 on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:08PM (#37181400)
>How exactly do they do that?

Through groups like ALEC[0]. And that's nothing new.

[0] https://alec.org/

Re:Broadband Monopolies Push Bill That Would Crush Your Abil... by gwright on Friday August 18, 2023 @04:50PM (#37181926)
> There are states where they were successful in getting laws passed preventing "wasteful government spending on broadband networks"

The devil is in the details but arguing that municipalities shouldn't compete with private businesses is not the same thing as arguing that private businesses shouldn't have other private competitors.

I have no doubt that telcos lobby heavily to restrict competition. Last mile infrastructure regulation is complicated but I'm more in favor of a level playing field (i.e. regulation) for access to poles/conduits/rights-of-way than having municipalities operate their own broadband architecture or even worse operate and then protect themselves from competition by other providers.