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Re:Fusion Foolery by jackmott42 on Thursday August 17, 2023 @09:13AM (#37161045)
>It's cheaper to install and operate solar than it is just to operate a coal plant.

When you say this you need to also talk about how much it costs to build enough energy storage for solar to become some given percentage of grid power. There is probably some % where it stops being cheaper than coal

Re:Fusion Foolery by lolinder on Thursday August 17, 2023 @09:33AM (#37161312)
They have a paragraph addressing that point, if you read on:

> It'll be difficult to power a grid with 100% wind and solar so that's all you hear. But on the flip side, it'd be quite straightforward to power the grid using 90% renewables using the existing plants for the last hard 10%. It'd be both cheaper & cleaner! Why the heck aren't we celebrating that?

Re:Fusion Foolery by bryanlarsen on Thursday August 17, 2023 @09:17AM (#37161106)
Thank you for nicely illustrating my point.
Re:Fusion Foolery by jacquesm on Thursday August 17, 2023 @09:41AM (#37161422)
It's interesting how you could hand a solution out on a platter and all that will happen is that people will run around yelling 'it isn't perfect'. As if any powersource has a 100% uptime guarantee.
Re:Fusion Foolery by cratermoon on Thursday August 17, 2023 @09:52AM (#37161592)
U.S. nuclear power plants typically refuel every 18 to 24 months. The average planned outage time is about a month. We never hear much about how nuclear power plants only have a ~95% planned uptime.
Re:Fusion Foolery by concordDance on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:15AM (#37162975)
The problem isn't the uptime, it's that the downtime strongly correlates across all instances of wind power and across all instances of solar power in a country: https://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
Re:Fusion Foolery by jacquesm on Thursday August 17, 2023 @11:53AM (#37163613)
So what? It's not as if those baseline powerplants that we have today will all suddenly disappear. They will just have a lower utilization factor. And that's perfectly fine.

Solar, hydro and wind when you have them, nuclear when you don't, gas when you don't have nuclear and coal when you don't have gas. It is really quite simple. And the best bit is that you can have your solar and wind installations up and running before the ink is even dry on the kind of permit and investment required for a nuclear plant and it is much cheaper to boot, as well as decentralized so far more resilient and friendlier to the grid (assuming the grid is well designed in the first place, which isn't always true).

And 'in a country' is the wrong level to be thinking at. You should look at much larger areas than that, and across both longitude and latitude.