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Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by hammock on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:04PM (#37127946)
If it looks anything like government and union-run public schools, not good.

For example, Chicago public school teachers get paid more than any other school system in the US (from $60k for a new teacher to $114k for the most experienced) and the schools have some of, if not the worst educational outcomes: in 2019, 1 in 4 7th graders could not read at grade level

Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by Contusion3532 on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:12PM (#37128028)
Maybe the problems in Chicago's education are outside of the scope of the teachers?
Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by AuryGlenz on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:42PM (#37128263)
I think it’s a bit of A and B.

Children aren’t a blank slate when they get into school. Genetics, parenting, and culture all have an effect.

That said, the fact that teachers that make tenure basically can’t get fired for lack of performance is ridiculous. Imagine if you just had to be a good little coder for a few years, and after that as long as you put any amount of effort in at all you wouldn’t lose your job.

I certainly had teachers growing up that were terrible at their jobs. I also had some that were pretty good. Most were mediocre to the point where I don’t think they’d stay employed in a regular non-union type job. At the very least they wouldn’t be getting performance raises.

Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by dagw on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @10:13AM (#37134268)
the fact that teachers that make tenure basically can’t get fired for lack of performance is ridiculous

Had a friend who worked in one of the worst performing public schools in our city. According to him the main problem was that you simply couldn't keep good teachers no matter what you offered. Half the new teachers they hired didn't make it past the first year. Had they started firing teachers who underperformed on top of that they wouldn't have enough teachers left to keep the doors open.

edit: not disagreeing with the idea that tenure for teachers is a bad idea, just that I don't think that is the primary problem in these worst cases.

Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by NoZebra120vClip on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:40PM (#37128247)
Problems in educating young children often begin with the family at home, who don't care, won't participate in discipline, and raise a hue and cry every time a teacher wants a better life for the child.
Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by osigurdson on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:11PM (#37128005)
Agree. Give governments money, get less back now with strings attached.
Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by wernercd on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:07PM (#37127965)
9 worst words you'll ever hear: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Everything that the government "helps" with becomes worse, more expensive, more corrupt, etc.

Limited small government with less taxes. Please and thank you.

Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by treetoppin on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:11PM (#37128008)
It’s shocking how much this gets thrown around, yet there are countless people who are alive only because someone from the government showed up to help. A democratic government is no more or less corrupt then the people they serve.
Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by wernercd on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @04:34PM (#37139001)
The government does help... I have been helped by the government at times in my life.

But.

That doesn't negate my stance that everything they touch becomes worse, more expensive and we all suffer.

Healthcare? Some people are saved. Healthcare has never been more expensive and the unACA was passed on lie - like your plan, lie - keep your doctor, lie - save $2500/year, etc.

Childcare? They help a handful of people making it more expensive for everyone else.

Lockdowns? Mask mandates? The largest source of disinformation during the COVID "pandemic" was the US Government led by Fauci who has publicly admitted he made up statistics about stuff like "herd immunity" based on polling. Oh, big tech suppressed truth that went against narrative.

Pick any topic and you'll find that while yes, the government does help some people some times... on aggregate? the larger and more powerful and the more interference that comes from government the worse we are.

I'm a centrist and a realist. We won't exist without government. but only an idiot gives the government more power than ABSOLUTELY necessary and all you have to do is look around to see MOUNTAINS of evidence to that simple truth.

or, as you say, "a government is no more or less corrupt than the people they serve". Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. the people they server are corrupted by power... why would government be any different?

Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by Contusion3532 on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:14PM (#37128040)
Yes, let's instead give the money to unaccountable private entities whose sole motive is profit, at the expense of all else.

With governments, we can at least vote in different politicians.

Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by hammock on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:29PM (#37128175)
Take a typical private school example, a non-profit parochial school with a mission of promoting its students' pursuit of excellence.

The parents are the clients. Anyone with kids in one of these schools can tell you how the administration bends over backwards to please the parents.

Much better than “voting in different politicians.” Much MORE accountability

Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by tyoma on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:46PM (#37128295)
Chicago public school are extremely effective given the population they have to teach: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/05/upshot/a-bett...

The core problem is poverty, not the school system.

Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by tptacek on Monday August 14, 2023 @10:16PM (#37129370)
CPS teachers are not in fact paid more than every other school system; NYC and LA pay more on average, and if you adjust for cost of living, Cleveland is a better deal. Meanwhile: the big sticking points with the CPS unions --- of which I am not a fan --- are class size and support staff, which are not pocket-lining issues for the teachers.
Re:What could Universal Early Childcare look like? by kasey_junk on Monday August 14, 2023 @11:20PM (#37129777)
The CPS unions have made lots of things negotiating positions in the last few years, from school nurses and social workers to veteran teacher pay scales and disciplinary rights. Classifying their position one way or another is impossible.

If anything the CTU has been doing everything in their power to make sure the real problem, pensions, is never on the bargaining table. They are argument #1 against public employee unions if only because they are so obviously hosing their current members on behalf of their previous and soon to be previous members.

That said your broader point still stands, there is nothing strange about their compensation or outcomes when compared to peer organizations.