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Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by alentred on Monday August 14, 2023 @04:13PM (#37126207)
As far as I understand, historically, alcoholic beverages were primarily invented and used as a water disinfectant. Rum was used in British navy to disinfect fresh water in barrels. Wine was used to dilute it in water till the 20th century. Fun fact, in ancient Greece people who drank pure wine (not diluting it in water) were considered alcoholics and could be publicly denounced. Beer was used as a typical beverage accompanying a meal in many populations (a sandwich with a beer was the closest analogy to the "fast food"). It appears that it is only recently that we have started to consume alcohol for pleasure.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by sithadmin on Monday August 14, 2023 @04:31PM (#37126426)
I'm not sure I buy your claim that rum was ever used to 'disinfect' fresh water on British Navy ships. The 'grog' mix they used was not of sufficient ABV to disinfect the water, as it was handed out at a 4:1 ratio of water:rum. It was moreso about making the daily rum ration difficult to hoard, and much more efficient to transport than beer or wine.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by jaggederest on Monday August 14, 2023 @04:39PM (#37126518)
Grog was at least 10% alcohol, plus lime juice. Navy rum was 65% or 130 proof. That's more than enough to inhibit most waterborne diseases such as cholera (inhibited in wine at 6.25% abv, though wine has tannins and phenols).
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by vondur on Monday August 14, 2023 @06:44PM (#37127704)
Yikes, I just checked, and Captain Morgan's is 35% Alcohol. I'm aware of Bacardi 151 (75.5% alcohol) which is like fire water to me. Can't imagine drinking something so concentrated regularly.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by jrockway on Monday August 14, 2023 @06:47PM (#37127732)
I suppose that's why 1 part of rum got mixed with 4 parts water and some limes.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by dgoldstein0 on Monday August 14, 2023 @10:54PM (#37129628)
The lime got added to prevent scurvy, which was a major problem prior to it's addition
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by Dah00n on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @12:46AM (#37130302)
Even with its addition as they didn't use fresh lime (some even boiled it) for many years. People got both lime and scurvy.

Scurvy: The Disease of Discovery by J. Lamb is actually quite interesting.

Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by dekhn on Monday August 14, 2023 @07:19PM (#37128096)
The only reason I'd ever buy everclear (95% ethanol) is for cleaning optics.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by MostlyStable on Monday August 14, 2023 @08:06PM (#37128451)
It's also great for doing various tinctures/extractions if you get into the more exotic side of cooking/food/mixology
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by wlesieutre on Monday August 14, 2023 @08:20PM (#37128540)
Good solvent for shellac as well, without the nasty smell and headache from denatured alcohol fumes. Costs more though, since it’s sold and taxed for consumption.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by dekhn on Monday August 14, 2023 @08:36PM (#37128659)
I can't practically get everclear since I live in California, where it's illegal. I use 99% IPA for shellac, it's not denatured but you wouldn't want to drink it anyway.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by paragraft on Monday August 14, 2023 @11:38PM (#37129889)
Before my brain caught up I was just about to ask you what brewery is it that can do a 99% Indian Pale Ale...
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by wlesieutre on Monday August 14, 2023 @11:40PM (#37129907)
How about a hops extract?
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by wlesieutre on Monday August 14, 2023 @11:39PM (#37129903)
Stock up if you're ever in Oregon, Arizona, or Utah. No luck in Nevada either.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by 13of40 on Monday August 14, 2023 @08:38PM (#37128671)
Fun fact: Vodka is usually distilled to a high purity close to everclear using a reflux still, then diluted with water to get down to 40%.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by lostlogin on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @05:59AM (#37132026)
If the very elaborate still in a neighbours garage is anything to go by, gin, limoncello and various others can be made this way too. 10+ bubble plates and away he goes.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by conductr on Monday August 14, 2023 @11:04PM (#37129688)
In my high school days, we used it for Jell-O shots and drunk watermelons. Probably should have used vodka but ever clear was more bang/buck. I remember taking a shot of it once as a group “dare” type situation. It was as awful as you would guess
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by dekhn on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @12:40AM (#37130277)
I've never drunk it. I don't like high proof alcohol.

Once I worked in a very informal lab and we were always looking for alternatives to buying industrial chemicals. I was working with optics, and Everclear came up as a good alternative to denatured alcohol or isopropyl alcohol. My friend who ran a microscope lab said it was pure enough to clean optics... however, since it was illegal to buy in California, we had a friend pick it up in Arizona and drop it off with us.

We put it in the flammable storage cabinet with a label saying it was 95% alcohol. Once during a lab inspection we tried to explain, but the inspector just said "yes, I went to college"

Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by alanfranz on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @02:05AM (#37130738)
Why would everclear be better than denaturated alcohol? Usually (I live in Europe btw) denaturated alcol is cheaper and has same proof of drinkable liquids.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by outsidetheparty on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @10:39AM (#37134550)
The "denatured" part means it contains additives that make it poisonous and foul-tasting.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by dekhn on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @02:21PM (#37137413)
because I prefer my cleaning solvents to be consumable in an emergency.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by squeaky-clean on Monday August 14, 2023 @08:04PM (#37128441)
If I remember correctly, the lower ranking navy members weren't even allowed access to the strong stuff. Only the officers who had to dilute it before giving it to the others.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by Tommstein on Monday August 14, 2023 @08:34PM (#37128646)
Few people are regularly pounding rum shots.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by asdgioanionio on Monday August 14, 2023 @10:16PM (#37129373)
You can't judge from Bacardi. It's bottom-shelf, young, and pretty rough. I find it unpleasant to drink neat even at 80 proof. A high-quality, aged rum at 130 proof will be fiery, but not as bad as Bacardi 151 diluted to 130 proof.

Of course, the sailors probably didn't drink anything terribly high-end.

Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by haldujai on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @03:12AM (#37131124)
> I find it unpleasant to drink

I concur, I tried to acquire the taste for 151 in college and even after 4 years of earnest and consistent effort it did not get better. Similar experiments with Everclear and overproof grappa were also unsuccessful.

I would not recommend any of these if one is interested in a pleasant drinking experience.

Lately I've been finding Bourbon to be enjoyable. Woodford Reserve and Bulleit are well-priced and good introductions in my opinion.

Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by reportgunner on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @10:51AM (#37134705)
> Lately I've been finding Bourbon to be enjoyable. Woodford Reserve and Bulleit are well-priced and good introductions in my opinion.

Also try Buffalo Trace, it's one of my three favorite including the two you mentioned.

Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by haldujai on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @02:19PM (#37137391)
Thanks! It's on my list, I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Would you suggest the regular Buffalo Trace or one of their (many) variations?

Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by reportgunner on Thursday August 17, 2023 @08:27AM (#37160535)
I have only tried the regular one but I liked it a lot.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by EA-3167 on Monday August 14, 2023 @09:07PM (#37128904)
I think at times it also had to do with making disgusting water more palatable, not sterile or anything, just less awful to drink.
Re:The anesthetic effect of air at atmospheric pressure by nradov on Tuesday August 15, 2023 @02:31PM (#37137544)
Rum was not generally used to disinfectant water on Royal Navy vessels. Typically the rum ration was only served with the midday meal. At other times the hands mostly drank plain water that had been stored in wooden barrels (and they complained about the taste).

And it wasn't always rum. If a vessel was on foreign service and rum was unavailable then the crew would be issued an equivalent amount of other booze.