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Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by NateEag on Friday August 11, 2023 @06:06PM (#37094649)
Helion is planning to use induction to generate electricity from the fusion reaction's generated magnetic field, IIUC:

https://www.helionenergy.com/faq/

(See "How does Helion generate electricity from fusion?" question)

Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by MichaelZuo on Friday August 11, 2023 @06:17PM (#37094736)
Which doesn't make sense for power generation since there will always be some percentage of neutrons produced by any type of fusion reaction that can only be useful for generating steam.

To entirely skip the steam cycle portion is to intentionally make a much less efficient design.

For space-constrained, high-value, applications where economics don't matter that much, such as a submarine, that would make sense, but otherwise...

Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by gus_massa on Friday August 11, 2023 @06:34PM (#37094871)
They plan to use 2D + 3He -> 4He + 1H, so no neutrons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneutronic_fusion#Candidate_re...

(I'm still not convinced of their explanations, but a fast proton may be easy to catch by the magnetic field and create the effect they want.)

Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by fastneutron on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:10PM (#37095163)
Nitpick: You’re always going to get some parasitic D+D reactions because it’s reaction cross section is appreciably higher than D + 3He below 50 keV, and non-negligible even after the crossover point.
Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by skykooler on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:53PM (#37095448)
Doesn't D+D just yield 4He (and no neutrons) though?
Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by philipkglass on Friday August 11, 2023 @08:00PM (#37095496)
It yields 3He plus a 2.45 MeV neutron at least part of the time.

See the diagram here: https://undsci.berkeley.edu/teach-resources/products-of-deut...

Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by jessriedel on Friday August 11, 2023 @06:26PM (#37094799)
You could always add the liquid metal blanket if you want to eke out the extra 10% (or if you want to generate tritium). But it's not worth the complication in an early prototype.
Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by DennisP on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:36PM (#37095327)
Helion's fuel mix produces just 6% of its energy as neutron radiation, and if you harvest it you'll lose a third of that. As long as you have enough net energy, collecting that 4% might not make financial sense.

With fuel costs insignificant, your cost per kWh is mainly capital cost. Let's say it's all capital just to keep it simple. I don't know how much the input energy will be but if your choice is between, say, generating net energy of 50MW without a turbine or 54MW with a turbine, then you would skip the turbine if it adds more than 8% to the capital cost. I suspect Helion has done this calculation in detail.

Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by MichaelZuo on Saturday August 12, 2023 @11:51AM (#37101411)
It does seem to hinge on the cost of fuel, I have some doubts about whether they can secure a fuel supply so cheap as to skip out on that extra 4 MW, even after factoring in the cost of a small steam turbine installation.
Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by DennisP on Saturday August 12, 2023 @01:58PM (#37102629)
Deuterium costs several thousand dollars/kilogram. But even though it is just one part in several thousand of the hydrogen in water, there's enough deuterium in your morning shower to provide all your energy needs for a year.[1] Cost of deuterium is definitely insignificant.

Helion's other fuel is helium-3 which they'll make themselves by fusing deuterium. So the helium-3 cost will directly depend on the capital cost of the reactor producing it.

[1] https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/01/nuclear-fusion/

Re:Wendelstein 7-X: Gigajoule energy turnover generated for ... by tsimionescu on Saturday August 12, 2023 @02:35AM (#37097620)
Helion is planning to use a different fusion reaction, one where the bulk of the energy will be coming out as charged particles, not neutrons.

However, D+T fusion is the only type of fusion that we have been able to sustain for any significant amount of time with reasonable energy inputs. What Helion is planning to do is completely unexplored and requires some major scientific advances.