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Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by acdha on Thursday August 10, 2023 @01:44PM (#37079293)
The dream was never real: the pitch was that you could make tons of money without complying with local regulations and cutting corners on services like cleaning but it turns out that markets are pretty efficient at cutting out actual inefficiencies. Once the VCs stopped subsidizing everything, it became obvious that this is not a massively profitable business but a relatively low-margin field which competitors can fairly easily enter. Everyone who went into this expecting double-digit returns for little effort is now learning a hard lesson about why you should do research before investing.
Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by fragmede on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:20PM (#37079794)
If it's finally only hitting the wall now, that seems like there's been several years of a good run. The dream doesn't have to last forever for it to have been real. It's like that saying, the stock market has predicted nine out of the last five recessions. There's been real money being made for people for years now. That may eventually dry up, but in the meanwhile, that's where it is.
Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by codeTired on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:35PM (#37079974)
The stock market has predicted recessions? What do you mean by this?
Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by neogodless on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:18PM (#37080526)
Read carefully:

> has predicted nine out of the last five recessions

It's basically a saying that people are always throwing out negative predictions that eventually come true, but that doesn't justify the excess false (poorly timed) predictions.

Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by salad-tycoon on Friday August 11, 2023 @06:25AM (#37087063)
“The sky has finally fallen. Always knew it would.” -Eeyore
Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by acdha on Friday August 11, 2023 @03:56PM (#37093235)
I guess that’s one way of looking at it but if you can only profit in a record bull market with historically unprecedentedly-low interest rates it’s probably a sign that you don’t have a viable business concept.
Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by scoofy on Thursday August 10, 2023 @03:43PM (#37080795)
I would actually like to see the FTC or DoJ start putting hard limits on the length and losses the companies can run, or at least tax companies that run intentional losses.

I get it, you run losses to start a new business, but if your prices are provably unsustainably low, with no profitability in sight, then your business model is anti-competitive, period.

Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by danielfoster on Friday August 11, 2023 @02:42AM (#37085801)
What exactly did VCs subsidize here?
Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by acdha on Friday August 11, 2023 @07:45AM (#37087581)
A common pattern in this type of company is that they’ll take less of a cut for their services than they’d need to actually pay their bills to keep the price customers pay competitive and to attract hosts (or drivers in the case of Uber, etc.). That’s not an invalid growth strategy but it has two risks:

1. It can give a misleading impression of how loyal customers are. People stayed in Airbnbs a lot when they were cheaper than hotels but since prices went up after Airbnb started needing to show profits, it’s really common for people to stay in a hotel at the same or lower price.

2. The bigger long-term risk is that it encourages building the wrong type of company. If you have barrels of VC money sloshing around, it is really tempting to hire a ton of people and compensate them like you’re old Google - after all, you need to expand rapidly and that needs the best executives and tons of staff, right? Unfortunately, that can make it easy to forget what industry you’re in and a certain class of investor wants to believe that doing something on the internet means it’s now a high-margin industry.

Airbnb is much better than most of their cohorts in that generation of business and they used the pandemic wisely to make some much needed cuts to their overhead, but what we’re seeing now is affecting the supply side: in a competitive market consumers aren’t willing to overpay for lodging and with everyone involved paying the full overhead costs that means being a small-time hotelier is not very profitable. That doesn’t mean doom but it means everyone should have more realistic expectations for profit margins – the hotel industry tends to be 5-10% except at the high-end where it might be 15%, so there’s money there but it’s not a Google/Facebook ad revenue kind of margin.

Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by danielfoster on Friday August 11, 2023 @04:13PM (#37093426)
Thanks for this explanation. I know the standard model of VC subsidies to lower prices and gain market share. Airbnb is probably keeping its service fees lower than it can afford to or spending too much in other areas to grow faster using VC money. However VCs aren’t subsidizing Airbnb rentals like they are Uber rides.

I’m a host myself and VC funding plays no role in what I charge. It’s mostly a function of market forces.

Re:Is the Airbnb Dream Dead? by acdha on Friday August 11, 2023 @06:14PM (#37094717)
Yeah, I think Airbnb has far better prospects than Uber/Lyft/DoorDash because they have a much stronger balance sheet and a bit more of a moat against competitors. The car/delivery services have the problem that most of their customers live in the area so someone doesn’t need to compete globally before they can undercut them (here in DC, multiple neighbors have commented that the taxis are both cheaper and more dependable now so they only use Uber when traveling), whereas Airbnb’s reputation does help travelers pick them over random websites in unfamiliar locations.