Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by robertkeizer on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @07:32PM
(#37069831)
This is why I work at archive.org. Is it perfect? No. Does it have value to society? Absolutely.
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Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by npunt on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @07:44PM
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I adore archive.org. I'm worried though it is becoming somewhat of a load bearing element of civilization, given the importance of shared and accurate history. We need redundancy.
I'm also worried about the deletion of old pages on archive because new owners of a domain update the robots.txt file to disallow it, which I've heard wipes the entire archive.org history of that domain. I hope that gets addressed.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by amatecha on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @07:48PM
(#37069959)
Yeah wait, what? I hope that's incorrect. Updating robots.txt to disallow should only omit content from that point onward... It shouldn't be retroactive. What if there's a new owner of a respective domain, for example?
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by rany_ on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @08:04PM
(#37070073)
It isn't, I really wish that instead of wiping DECADES of history; it only applies to content that was archived from the day of the domain's registration. I think this is slightly more reasonable, but I imagine they simply don't have access to such data.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by pseudalopex on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @08:48PM
(#37070420)
Simply requiring domain owners contact archive.org to remove old snapshots would be better than applying robots.txt retroactively.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by pseudalopex on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @08:44PM
(#37070386)
It was correct. And archive.org used this self inflicted problem to justify disregarding robots.txt.
https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/17/robots-txt-meant-for-sea...
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by npunt on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @09:27PM
(#37070730)
Oh thank you for the update, that's great news! Agree with their position 100%.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by pseudalopex on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @10:25PM
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> Agree with their position 100%.
Including the part where they blamed robots.txt for their decision surprising almost everyone to apply it retroactively?
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by npunt on Thursday August 10, 2023 @01:15AM
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no I didn't see that in there, I just agree that robots.txt makes sense for web crawlers but not archival purposes
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by sciencefriday on Thursday August 10, 2023 @10:03AM
(#37076292)
The Internet Archive is not really known for deleting anything. In many different postings across the years, their founder and employees have mentioned items being taken "out" of the wayback machine, not "deleted" out of it. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by swyx on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @08:39PM
(#37070346)
what is it like to work there? can you describe what archive does on a day to day basis? what do you need most apart from I guess donations?
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by Dah00n on Thursday August 10, 2023 @02:15AM
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I'd read a blog post about that!
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by MandieD on Thursday August 10, 2023 @05:33AM
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It's absolutely essential and irreplaceable for the web archive, and that's why I was pretty angry that you guys decided to pick a fight with the big publishers over "loaning" ebooks that could have gotten the whole site killed.
It was possibly a worthwhile fight for someone to have, but not for the site that hosts the Wayback Machine. Separation of concerns, my friends...
Re:CNET is deleting old articles to try to improve its Googl...
by shortformblog on Thursday August 10, 2023 @09:03AM
(#37075633)
You do great work.