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Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @11:31AM (#37050511)
Question: does that mean there are no indian restaurants in Dresden?
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by mainframed on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @11:54AM (#37050975)
There are. Why wouldn't there be?

There are a lot of minorities in Germany, which (sadly have to) accept daily racism.

Thankfully, at this point violence against minorities (~800 right extremists violent crimes in 2022 in whole Germany) is not as high such that people consider moving away.

And if you get a job there and this is your ticket into immigration, probably a lot of people will accept this to get German citizenship. Finally, this will open you access to all the working places in Europe.

My hope (as a West German) is that investments like this, will increase East-Germany's economy such that they are finally equal in terms of economic wealth, which is a large factor for racism/extremism.

Same with opposing climate change laws.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @12:02PM (#37051126)
>There are. Why wouldn't there be?

Because he said Indians are attacked on the street in Dresden.

If that's the case why would you move and open a restaurant there if you're Indian?

Or was he exaggerating the issue?

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by hutzlibu on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @12:15PM (#37051334)
"If that's the case why would you move and open a restaurant there if you're Indian?"

Because some things do not show immediately and officially all is fine in Dresden. Also the racism that was hiding for some time now shows itself very openly.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by pavlov on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @12:58PM (#37052101)
There were 13,000 Jews in Leipzig in 1933. Surely antisemitism wasn’t a problem because so many of them chose to live there.

(In 1989 the city’s Jewish population was 30.)

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by OO000oo on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @12:56PM (#37052058)
> My hope (as a West German) is that investments like this, will increase East-Germany's economy such that they are finally equal in terms of economic wealth

Is this a bad joke? Is it possible that you actually don't comprehend the ramifications of eternal human labor trafficking?

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by mainframed on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @01:20PM (#37052473)
> Is it possible that you actually don't comprehend the ramifications of eternal human labor trafficking?

Probably not. I don't even know what it means/you mean.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by OO000oo on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @01:26PM (#37052570)
When rich nations destabilize poor nations and incentivize cheap labor to migrate to the rich nation.
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by zymhan on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @02:09PM (#37053166)
You might get more traction calling it "brain drain", since that's the more common term in at least the US.
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by ajmurmann on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @02:18AM (#37059284)
Is it "brain drain" when it's "cheap labor" that's moving, as claimed by the parent comment?

Regardless, doesn't matter, since their entire point is based on a very flawed and naive idea of economic development.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by t43562 on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @02:13PM (#37053228)
Poor nations are exceptionally good at destabilising themselves - as a person from one of them. The idea that they are getting mistreated would be music to the ears of our ruling elites - perhaps hinting that they might get their "virtual slaves" back from Europe.
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by ajmurmann on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @01:12PM (#37052353)
> eternal human labor trafficking

What does this mean? Are there people being trafficked in eastern Germany?

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by OO000oo on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @01:27PM (#37052589)
Yes, and it's nothing new.
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by martimarkov on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @01:43PM (#37052802)
Apart from just your statement this is the first time I hear about this. I mean there is trafficking everywhere but you statement makes it sound like it’s on a much grander scale. Care to provide more info?
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by rojosewe on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @02:26PM (#37053426)
He's referring to the difference in wealth between East and West Germany which is arguably the cause of many political and social issues in Germany. The influx of money into the region could reduce the disparity.

My guess is that you are referring to the difference in wealth between India and Germany. I'm not sure that the pearl clutching was helpful. It would have been better to clarify your assumptions or If indeed you were talking about Germany internal issues then clarify how labor trafficking is a factor here. We'll all be better for it.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @03:42PM (#37054464)
> The influx of money into the region could reduce the disparity.

Money in the region would help but I don't see it happening since Poland is just a few km away and a more lucrative target for attracting investments from west Germany due to having less red tape, and lower taxes and regulations.

East Germany can't compete with that so it seems it be forever be this "desert" in between west Germany and Poland where nobody wants to live and invest.

I see this as a fault of the German gov for not making east Germany an attractive place for investors.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by rojosewe on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @05:25PM (#37055680)
This post is literally about building a "large" factory for highly specialized workers in East Germany. The influx will be there, whether that's enough to solve the issue it's a different topic. Anyway, I was referring to the original commenter's intention, not my personal opinion.
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @05:41PM (#37055829)
>The influx will be there, whether that's enough to solve the issue it's a different topic.

It's not. I've seen this play out before in my poor home town that become a hotspot for tech investments in the span of 10 years.

All those new jobs in the semi industry will require some skills and education, and people who have that kind of skills and education, are (usually) not racists to attack people on the streets based on their color and go to racist protests, but the contrary, tend to be well spoken and liberal.

It will simply increase the inequality between the uneducated racist locals and the well educated foreigners who come for those well paying jobs and raise rent prices and cost of living, throwing more fuel on the racist fire, and pointing the target on the foreigners for being to blame for making life more expensive for the locals.

This issue is solved through education and career re-orientation opportunities, not by bringing some high end jobs that are out of reach for those locals anyway.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by flohofwoe on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @09:24AM (#37062312)
Bavaria is right next to the Czech Republic and should have the same problems, yet isn't exactly a 'desert' as you call it.

Large scale outsourcing (and investments) to Poland, the Czech Republic and the rest of Eastern Europe had already happened during the 90s, after that it was China. Everything that can be outsourced in Germany has already been outsourced during the last 30 years, yet the sky hasn't fallen so far.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by hutzlibu on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @12:12PM (#37051310)
There are, but why is that related? You mean because they all did not burn down yet, proofs the racism is not so bad?
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by krater23 on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @12:16PM (#37051350)
Oh there are. When you want a really good one, just go to the one on the Alaun Park.