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Re:How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance? by vel0city on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @11:13AM (#37050224)
There are loads of jobs related to the fabs surrounding them though. Lots of companies designing the things these fabs will end up actually producing, lots of testing the things these fabs produce, lots of integrating these things the fabs produce. The technology services supporting those companies making the designs. Etc.
Re:How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance? by alephnerd on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @11:55AM (#37050986)
Those jobs don't pay well either.

You'll see salaries of around $70-110k in very expensive metros like the Bay, Portland, Dallas, Austin, etc.

Salaries just haven't kept up in the EE space.

Re:How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance? by vel0city on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @02:03PM (#37053073)
I'll tell that to all my friends in the EE space who live very comfortably that they're clearly not paid well.

They'll probably have a laugh while they're out boating.

Re:How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance? by alephnerd on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @05:10PM (#37055504)
Idk, KLA has multiple Test Engineer roles open right now in Milpitas that are offering $29/hour and the idiots at Motek have been spamming me with ASIC Design Engineer roles paying around $80-100k/yr within the Bay Area even though I haven't been an engineer for almost a decade.

I think there might be a bimodal distribution within EE salaries where either you work at an Nvidia/Google/Apple/AMD/TI type company which pays competitively and others which pay subpar wages.

Maybe this is heavily dependent on the subset of EE as well (eg. I'd assume the profit margins for a fabless GPU company like Nvidia are much higher than a company building/desigining ASICs for Telcom usecases like KLA).

That said, you seem to be from North Texas/DFW and EE wages and cost of living seem much more managable compared to those offered in the Bay Area and Portland.

Re:How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance? by vel0city on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @05:41PM (#37055828)
Median home price in Milpitas: $1.3M

Median home price in Richardson: $478K

Median home price in Garland: $301k

Median home price in Sherman: $308k

Median home price in The Colony: $411k

Median home price in Plano: $520k

Which places are you more likely to be able to own your home with ~$100k/yr income?

Re:How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance? by alephnerd on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @05:57PM (#37055995)
No shit sherlock.

I'm just pointing out that EE salaries within the US are depressed due to the (relatively) low wages within DFW (which by DFW levels are competitive).

At the end of the day, you guys are definetly being underpaid compared to SWEs as well as certain specialities of EE (take a look at Nvidia's mid-level TC in the Bay verus TI's in DFW).

DFW has always been a major EE hub in the US, but SV and Portland are similarly sized EE industry hubs and their wages have been depressed.

Since DFW represents around 30-40% of the EE industry within the US, it's a major portion but plenty of industry share is still stuck in higher CoL areas, which incentivizes talent to either switch to SWE or outsource jobs to SK, Taiwan, PRC, India, and Israel where such salaries are more competitive

Re:How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance? by Spooky23 on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @04:15PM (#37054876)
I worked on a campus as a tenant at the facility with a big semiconductor focus and some prototype fabs.

The pecking order was established in the parking lot. The execs drove BMWs and Teslas, the tenants varied. We were in a special lot.

The worker bees in the fabs drove older Hyundais and Nissans. Except for the trades - fabs require a lot of plumbing and electrical contractors, and those guys were all union, all minting overtime, and all driving fancy pickup trucks.