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Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by thiago_fm on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:48AM (#37047524)
Great to see they coming to Germany. If Tesla could build a car factory here from scratch, I'm sure that they can build chips too.

Curious why they've chosen Dresden though.

Anybody knows how much the government is willing to invest? Missing some tangible figures.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by Vespasian on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:54AM (#37047574)
Dresden has been a semimanufactoring hub in Eastern Germany for quite some time.

I believe this started in GDR times and continued (at massively reduced capacity) after the reunification.

Intel, AMD, Infineon and others operate (or plan to build) factories in Dresend (or saxony in general) and its reasonable to assume that experienced workers and local suppliers make the area a preffered location.

Given Eastern Germanys weak economic situtation these are very welcome investments.

Edit: see bellow for corrections

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by zatarc on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @08:09AM (#37047751)
Intel will settle in Magdeburg. The "AMD" Fab in Dresden belongs to GlobalFoundries (AMD sold its last GlobalFoundries shares in 2012).
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by Vespasian on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @08:12AM (#37047783)
Thank you for correcting me :)
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by chrizel on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:53AM (#37047562)
> Curious why they've chosen Dresden though.

The region is known for its semiconductor industry, at least in Germany. Quote from Wikipedia about Dresden:

> Silicon Saxony Saxony's semiconductor industry was built up in 1969. Major enterprises today include AMD's semiconductor fabrication spin-off GlobalFoundries, Infineon Technologies, ZMDI and Toppan Photomasks. Their factories attract many suppliers of material and cleanroom technology enterprises to Dresden.

So it just makes sense to build fabs in Dresden because there is already a lot of know-how there.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by luplex on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @08:14AM (#37047798)
I wonder how much the decision was influenced by the general lack of opportunity in the east, and the rising alt-right movement as a consequence. I really want eastern Germany to have a better economy.
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by thiago_fm on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:56AM (#37047595)
Had no idea about it. Thank you for the valuable information!
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by r0b1n on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:54AM (#37047579)
5 Billion Euros of public money out of a total of 10 Billion invested. So it is more like "the German state builds a fab, with TSMC and others also investing a little".
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by trompetenaccoun on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @08:05AM (#37047702)
>The planned joint venture will be 70% owned by TSMC, with Bosch, Infineon, and NXP each holding 10% equity stake, subject to regulatory approvals and other conditions.

I wonder what them "providing" 5 billions as news reports put it actually means. Is this a loan, a gift, or some other type of deal?

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by rasz on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @08:12AM (#37047775)
Gift. Here is how it worked in Wales: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hijJ_4H08RM
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by Lionga on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @08:30AM (#37047968)
You have to subtract 10% or so in kickbacks that will later flow back to the politicians handing out the money
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by generic92034 on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:55AM (#37047586)
> Anybody knows how much the government is willing to invest? Missing some tangible figures.

5B, according to German news: https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/tsmc-dresden-100.html

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by Kelteseth on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:50AM (#37047534)
> Curious why they've chosen Dresden though.

Because many foundries are located there like GlobalFoundries and Bosch

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by pipo234 on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:52AM (#37047553)
Eindhoven (NL) would have been obvious as well (NXP, ASML, Infineon, Philips)
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by Vespasian on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:56AM (#37047599)
Germany is a big player (politically and financially) in the EU and the Eurozone and it's benefitial to have them on your side.

(Also such a large economy can offer better (aka larger) subsidies if they want to)

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by TotempaaltJ on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:57AM (#37047604)
Eindhoven is also still growing: https://siliconcanals.com/news/startups/dutch-smart-photonic... Much smaller though!

It's probably good for the EU in general to have multiple silicon hubs.

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by AdamN on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:55AM (#37047582)
Germany wouldn't have subsidised that one though - this was German money.
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by dontupvoteme on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @09:46AM (#37048904)
Eindhoven also has a recent influx of PhDs from Philips looking for a new place to work...

although imo Eindhoven isn't exactly the most... attractive place to live for many people. Dresden on the other hand seems like it's somewhat en vogue

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by thiago_fm on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:50AM (#37047538)
Makes sense. Thank you!
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by zensayyy on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @08:10AM (#37047762)
Dresden has a really good university when it comes to computer engineering, too. Plus it realtively cheap compared to other regions in Germany (like Munich)
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by JanSt on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:51AM (#37047540)
Dresden is a huge chip hub with lots of talent
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by dustypotato on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @07:51AM (#37047549)
Maybe because East Germany is cheaper?
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by PartiallyTyped on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @08:46AM (#37048212)
Other companies with offices there are AWS' EC2 (Kernel dev, Gravitons, etc), and Xilinx.
Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by nottorp on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @10:25AM (#37049445)
> If Tesla could build a car factory here from scratch,

Did Tesla ever finish that German factory? Last time i read about it no one wanted to work there...

Re:TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP to build fab in Germany by thiago_fm on Tuesday August 08, 2023 @11:13AM (#37050220)
I live nearby, it is finished and it is producing Teslas.