Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation

Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by FirmwareBurner on Monday August 07, 2023 @12:34PM (#37036776)

>At idle or low load, Sandy Bridge is plenty economical just sipping power.

"Sipping power" is a bit of an overstatement. Sure, at 35W idle, they were very lower for the time but modern <10nm monolithic die CPUs are way more economically than the older 32nm, 22nm, and 14nm CPUs though. That can't be argued.

A 12th Gen quad core NUC CPU will use at full load what Sandy Bridge quad core uses at idle, while also getting better performance.

There's just no comparison.

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by SomeRndName11 on Monday August 07, 2023 @01:28PM (#37037660)

Where do you get this number 35W from? My Ivy Bridge 3470 idles at 7 watt (cpu only). Most of energy is consumed by the monitor anyway (20-25 Watt) anyway, so the energy savings are minuscule.

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by FirmwareBurner on Monday August 07, 2023 @01:34PM (#37037746)

>Where do you get this number 35W from?

A google search on benchmarks and tests.

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by SomeRndName11 on Monday August 07, 2023 @01:40PM (#37037822)

I actually measured the whole system. With motherboard, HDD, SSD and RAM it idled at 30W. CPU took only 7w from all of that.

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by FirmwareBurner on Monday August 07, 2023 @01:59PM (#37038132)

How did you measure CPU draw?

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by squeaky-clean on Monday August 07, 2023 @02:34PM (#37038630)

(Not the same commenter) HWInfo64 can report your CPU power consumption. Some digital power supplies can also give power for specific parts, like corsair iCue compatible PSU's

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by SomeRndName11 on Monday August 07, 2023 @02:27PM (#37038541)

Reported by the motherboard's current sensor.

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by FirmwareBurner on Monday August 07, 2023 @03:18PM (#37039487)

Is that accurate?

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by Dalewyn on Monday August 07, 2023 @03:41PM (#37039860)

CPU and mobo sensors are accurate enough for casual measurements and conversations like this.

The numbers I cited earlier were reported by the CPU's package power sensors which were in turn read by LibreHardwareMonitor.

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by SomeRndName11 on Monday August 07, 2023 @04:20PM (#37040434)

Well if you count expected power consumption of each component and limited efficiency of the power supply, plus reports of people idling their 3470 based machines at 12w (full system) yeah, good enough. I mean what is your point? The 35W idle for Ivy Bridge CPU only is a ridiculous claim, that should be retracted IMO.

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by formerly_proven on Monday August 07, 2023 @02:32PM (#37038603)

Idle power consumption is hard to compare because peripherals, configuration and firmware have enormous sway.

However, painting with broad brushes, Sandy Bridge has modern power management and idles comparably to newer CPUs (a lot better than some modern ones even).

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by windowsrookie on Monday August 07, 2023 @01:34PM (#37037737)

Yes, at full load a 12th gen NUC will be more efficient. But if you're just using the old system as a home server, most the time the CPU is idling and not consuming much more power than a new NUC.

Also an old system is likely in a case that accepts multiple drives. That NUC is not going to have space for my 3.5" storage drives. Yes I could invest in NVME SSD's, but the point of this is low cost and using parts I already have.

I have 10+ old 3.5" HDD's laying around, if one dies I can easily swap it out at zero cost to me and keep my home server going.

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by FirmwareBurner on Monday August 07, 2023 @01:39PM (#37037806)

>That NUC is not going to have space for my 3.5" storage drives.

We were just comparing CPU power usage. We're going off-road here and splitting hairs trying to cater to the needs of every enthusiast who builds his custom home lab.

Nobody's telling you how you should build your NAS or home lab, but the point about big differences in CPU power consumption across >10 years of progress still stands.

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Re:Sandy Bridge: Setting Intel’s Modern Foundation by vel0city on Monday August 07, 2023 @06:45PM (#37041972)

I've got an Ivy Bridge quad core system in my closet that my UPS states is currently using ~15W of power with a few HDDs in it and an extra NIC as well. 35W idle CPU usage is thoroughly incorrect.

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