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Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by benj111 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:38AM (#37022424)
The last study is interesting.

I'm somewhat surprised by the increased empathy to humans though.

As a meat eater the ethics of meat eating is more a question of respect for the animal, I don't lack empathy for humans.

Further, my observation of pet owners, their empathy for pets seems to reduce their empathy for fellow humans.

Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by hairofadog on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:44AM (#37022500)
> my observation of pet owners, their empathy for pets seems to reduce their empathy for fellow humans.

Hmm, I haven’t seen that correlation, but it’s worth noting that there are all sorts of people who keep pets for all sorts of different reasons, so I don’t doubt it’s true for some.

Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by kaashif on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:56AM (#37022635)
A lot of people would rather save their pet than an unspecified stranger from a sinking ship: https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/202...

That makes sense. But becoming a pet owner also makes you more likely to want to save an unspecified dog over a unspecified person.

Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by hairofadog on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:11AM (#37022813)
Regarding your first point, that’s not a pet owner thing but a family thing. Most people would save their own before helping a stranger.

> becoming a pet owner also makes you more likely to want to save an unspecified dog over a unspecified person

From the article:

> In the scenarios involving an unspecified dog, only around 20% of American pet owners say they would choose to save the dog over the person or people

My reading of that data is different from yours. Does a 20% chance of something sound more likely or less likely?

Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by benj111 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:53AM (#37023233)
>Regarding your first point, that’s not a pet owner thing but a family thing.

'Family' takes many different forms though (nation, ethnicity, species, etc) I'm not saying it's right or wrong but I would include a human stranger in my 'family' over a known pet.

Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by fatfingerd on Sunday August 06, 2023 @02:52PM (#37025273)
> My reading of that data is different from yours. Does a 20% chance of something sound more likely or less likely?

More likely than a non pet-owner (10%).

Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by myshpa on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:49AM (#37022547)
> As a meat eater ... I don't lack empathy for humans.

As a meat eater ... you cannot yet know what you lack/you'd gain ;)

> pet owners, their empathy for pets seems to reduce their empathy for fellow humans

It's funny that when someone adopts a rabbit, pig, or chicken as a pet, they often (based on anecdotes) stop eating that specific type of meat, but they don't typically stop eating other animals.

Something changes when people decide to stop eating meat.

Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by benj111 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:02PM (#37023326)
>As a meat eater ... you cannot yet know what you lack/you'd gain ;)

No, I'd even grant that my pov could even be a sign of lowered empathy, but as my second part was meant to indicate. On the other hand developing an empathy for other animals can lead to lowered empathy for the 'murderers' of those animals.

If you empathise with foos and bars, and foos are harming bars, surely that would impact your empathy for foos.

Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by myshpa on Sunday August 06, 2023 @01:01PM (#37024048)
I believe empathy isn't zero-sum. Feeling for animals doesn't mean their empathy for humans diminishes.

Btw, most vegans used to be meat eaters previously.

As my SO says: "they (carnists) just don't know ... yet".

Re:The pork industry’s forced cannibalism by veggieburrito on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:40PM (#37026439)
It’d be interesting to read more about the psychology of “when people decide to stop eating meat”. Conversely, I’ve talked with individuals who were raised culturally vegetarian who started eating meat as an adult.

Interesting topics all around.