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Re:Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features by rvnx on Thursday August 03, 2023 @01:21PM (#36988838)
It never has been Tesla’s responsibility if the FSD fails (whereas for Mercedes they take responsibility)
Re:Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features by olyjohn on Thursday August 03, 2023 @01:34PM (#36989025)
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Re:Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features by kibwen on Thursday August 03, 2023 @07:31PM (#36993483)
> to try to get Tesla to also accept responsibility and bring prices up

If Tesla actually believed that their self-driving works (which they unequivocally and demonstrably don't, as their refusal to accept liability indicates), then it would cost them virtually nothing to accept liability.

Every company that offers self-driving should accept liability to prove that they have faith in their system, and we shouldn't allow any self-driving system on the road for which this isn't the case.

Re:Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features by code_runner on Thursday August 03, 2023 @01:36PM (#36989058)
I think the mercedes taking responsibility thing was at least partially clever marketing. there are really extreme limitations last I saw, which honestly is understandable.
Re:Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features by martin8412 on Thursday August 03, 2023 @01:43PM (#36989166)
The limitations are due to the legal framework Mercedes lives up to. The updated version only recently came out.
Re:Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features by code_runner on Thursday August 03, 2023 @04:16PM (#36991181)
I do think they are doing it more responsibly for sure. Just that given the limitations it’s difficult to compare the offerings at this point
Re:Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features by judge2020 on Thursday August 03, 2023 @01:25PM (#36988894)
Did they ever figure that out?

> There are few federal laws addressing automated driving. So, Mercedes Vice President of Automated Driving George Massing tells R&T, “we will probably have to deal with each individual state.” But the company plans to accept legal liability for what the car does while Drive Pilot is engaged.

As far as I can tell there still isn’t some webpage where you can submit a claim to Mercedes-Benz for a failure of their self-driving tech…

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/mercedes-well-be-liable-for-sel...

Re:Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features by rvnx on Thursday August 03, 2023 @01:27PM (#36988931)
In the opposite, Tesla sounds more like the type of company that would sue you if you claim autopilot brought you into a crash.

Since they are technically right, as autopilot disengages before.

Re:Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features by judge2020 on Thursday August 03, 2023 @09:59PM (#36994533)
> Since they are technically right, as autopilot disengages before.

> To ensure our statistics are conservative, we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact, and we count all crashes in which the incident alert indicated an airbag or other active restraint deployed.

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport