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Re:The Cloud Is a Prison. Can the Local-First Software Movem... by zimbatm on Thursday August 03, 2023 @10:58AM (#36986852)
Sure. Come back to us in twelve months.

Either the company will have lost control of their spending and be sending 6-7 figure paychecks towards AWS. Or the ops team will have clamped down on the accounts and now you have to go trough the same process to get EC2 instances and other cloud resources.

Solving cultural problems with technology generally doesn't work.

Re:The Cloud Is a Prison. Can the Local-First Software Movem... by nilptr on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:29AM (#36987245)
> Solving cultural problems with technology generally doesn't work.

Solving cultural problems is indeed difficult but most of us are not going to be at a company long enough to give a shit. The name of they game is taking money off the table and the best way to do that is to deliver value quickly and then move to the next table.

Re:The Cloud Is a Prison. Can the Local-First Software Movem... by ur-whale on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:44AM (#36987430)
> The name of they game is taking money off the table and the best way to do that is to deliver value quickly and then move to the next table.

I pity the fool who hired you. Or will hire you, for that matter.

Re:The Cloud Is a Prison. Can the Local-First Software Movem... by taylodl on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:23AM (#36987162)
It's been 4 years for our team? Maybe in 12 years things will be different, but this is where we are for now.
Re:The Cloud Is a Prison. Can the Local-First Software Movem... by bpodgursky on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:29AM (#36987236)
> Solving cultural problems with technology generally doesn't work.

That's a ridiculous statement! Technology is the prime driver of culture! If you want to effect lasting change, the last thing you should do is try to convince people you are right. Set up the technical infrastructure to support the culture you want!

In fact, it's the reverse — culture has practically no impact on technology once deployed.

Re:The Cloud Is a Prison. Can the Local-First Software Movem... by Aerbil313 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @05:52PM (#37027254)
Right. The society today is defined by technology. I like to call it "the smartphone society" instead of "the modern society" or whatever.
Re:The Cloud Is a Prison. Can the Local-First Software Movem... by throwawaysleep on Thursday August 03, 2023 @11:35AM (#36987322)
> Solving cultural problems with technology generally doesn't work.

It does by getting rid of the people.

Re:The Cloud Is a Prison. Can the Local-First Software Movem... by freedude on Thursday August 03, 2023 @02:11PM (#36989538)
Yes, it only pushes the inevitable lean battle further down the road and never solves anything. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.