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Re:Meta’s Reality Lab Prototype Hardware by zmmmmm on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @07:30PM (#36979335)
> showing off half-finished vaporware

They have videos of actual people using the actual built devices at the conference. They are letting conference attendees at SIGGRAPH put these on and try them out.

I get the need to downplay anything good that Meta does, but stick to "reality" - this is very different from half finished vapor ware. Or to put it another way, if this is vaporware, so is Apple Vision Pro at this point.

Re:Meta’s Reality Lab Prototype Hardware by MBCook on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:03PM (#36979580)
Right. The prototypes work. It’s R&D.

We have no idea when, or if, this will end up in a shipping product. If they were to imply it’s a real product (didn’t read that clearly) it’s vaporware.

The Vision Pro was announced. Has a release date (within a quarter), a full public SDK & simulator. They have started the hands on labs for developers around the world this week.

That’s not vaporware. If it is every movie that’s been announced + shot but not released is.

The modern Apple (post Jobs return) had what, one product that was announced but didn’t come out? The AirPower. And that was a real product they were in the final stages of (best I understand) but hit insurmountable safety issues. Not “hey we’re thinking this will be a thing one day”, but a failed product launch that didn’t make it to market after multiple attempts to fix it in the final stages.

Apple doesn’t announce vaporware.

Re:Meta’s Reality Lab Prototype Hardware by smoldesu on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:03PM (#36979583)
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Re:Meta’s Reality Lab Prototype Hardware by MBCook on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:10PM (#36979646)
Wow. You pointed out the exact thing I discussed in my comment.
Re:Meta’s Reality Lab Prototype Hardware by pjmlp on Thursday August 03, 2023 @08:04AM (#36984653)
Funny, because I certainly remember Copland, Taligent, OpenDoc,...
Re:Meta’s Reality Lab Prototype Hardware by MBCook on Thursday August 03, 2023 @09:32AM (#36985635)
They were famous for it. That’s why Jobs, when he came back, stopped the practice. So people would learn that when Apple announced it it was done.
Re:Meta’s Reality Lab Prototype Hardware by pjmlp on Thursday August 03, 2023 @10:15AM (#36986260)
Which doesn't change the fact that they also did it.

And in regards to modern Apple, the settings panel and SwiftUI are more of a work in progress kind of thing, than actually done.

Re:Meta’s Reality Lab Prototype Hardware by MBCook on Thursday August 03, 2023 @01:24PM (#36988886)
Yes they did do it. But I called out post Steve Jobs return in my comment gif that reason.

Have people called SwiftUI and the new settings panels vaporware? I’ve never heard that. I’m neutral on the new settings design, but they do have a lot to fix there.

SwiftUI is pretty great when you can do what you want. Every release that encompasses more. I’m not sure you can reasonably make a fully featured UI toolkit in secret, I think you need external devs to help find issues and gaps. Letting it out early may have been a good idea for that reason, though it was quite rough at the start.