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Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by OtherShrezzing on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:49PM (#36961663)
Is your dad forbidden from recreating this technology with DuPont in control of those patents? There's probably a tonne of VC money out there for an environmentally friendly disruptor to teflon.
Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by ordinaryradical on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:06PM (#36961918)
I’m going to link to another reply on this and provide some additional color:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36961328

Getting a product like this stood up is a $100 million endeavor at minimum. That’s before customer #1 presses “buy.”

My father and the colleague I mentioned are both successful serial entrepreneurs (large exits, Sequioa backed unicorn, etc.). There is close to zero appetite from VCs in this.

VCs seem to be allergic to these CapEx intensive businesses and I don’t blame them—the risks are enormous when compared to something like a SaaS.

That said, if you know someone who’s dying to throw hundreds of millions at this problem, he’d probably take the intro. You can email me at super solenoid theory at gmail dot com.

Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by TylerE on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:52PM (#36963651)
On the other hand, the capital intensive nature makes it a lot harder for a competitor to spin up their version overnight and eat your lunch.
Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by gottorf on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @06:13PM (#36963916)
As pg said, "do things that don't scale".
Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by OtherShrezzing on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @08:46AM (#36970136)
I think Carbon13 and the other "climate emergency" accelerators would be interested in some capacity, at least as a starter. They've got a fairly strong network of Family Houses & trusts.

I think you'd get seed money, and a network large enough to raise some serious capital in future rounds.

Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by at_a_remove on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:06PM (#36961921)
One of my patent reform ideas is that patents must be used. If left fallow (production under a certain amount) for too long, bam, it hits the public domain, or back to the originator.
Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by mrguyorama on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:06PM (#36962920)
Or just make it a couple years. If you can't profit handsomely off your idea in a couple years, then it's probably more efficient for society as a whole to be allowed to work on it.
Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by TylerE on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @07:50PM (#36964930)
Ig you remove the incentive, why would they pay to do the research in the first place?

There is a gulf of value between "literal cure for cancer" and, like, some basic consumer good. Most things do not exist at either extreme end. Not all things worth doing are wildly profitable.

Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by markdown on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:49PM (#36965455)
Huh? The incentive hasn't been removed. You only lose it if you aren't producing the patented product for commercial sale.
Re:Could the world go PFAS-free? Proposal to ban ‘forever ch... by TylerE on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:58PM (#36965553)
I'm talking about a hypothetical world where the lifetime of a patent is only, say, 5 years. That's a much shorter window to recoup expenses, and thus many projects that are financially justifiable in the current environment would not be.