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Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by jedberg on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:38PM (#36960419)
To gather human intel you have to be willing to do things like drink in social situation and (gasp) sometimes do drugs with the people you're trying to collect intel from, to gain their friendship.

In other words, you need to have a slightly adventurous personality.

Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by chrisfosterelli on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:42PM (#36960479)
Most people I know who have an adventurous personality don't smoke weed. Drinking I can see a case for as it's so heavily embedded as a social activity. Just anecdotal data I suppose but I'm not seeing a similar connection for having done drugs.

Perhaps for someone who is undercover and needs to fit in, sure, but I don't think that predisposes a personality to take drugs in their own time. For both alcohol and drugs I doubt it has any relevance to most intelligence roles.

Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by jeffreyrogers on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:52PM (#36960658)
Yeah. And the people you network with in a HUMINT job aren't hanging around doing drugs for the most part. They are working in industry or government. Probably a fair amount of drinking but mostly no time for other drugs, or if they do them, keep it discreet.
Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by howinteresting on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:59PM (#36960781)
Huh, I'd imagine cocaine, Adderall and molly would all be very popular among that crowd.
Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by lstodd on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @06:00PM (#36963762)
So, various forms of amphetamines.

How.. mundane.

Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by howinteresting on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:00PM (#36973586)
Indeed. Maybe also Ritalin.
Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by zmgsabst on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:17PM (#36961093)
Half (49%) of US adults have tried marijuana.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/353645/nearly-half-adults-tried...

Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by Rebelgecko on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:44PM (#36960504)
I don't think they're sending interns to gather HUMINT, and I'm skeptical of how many CIA employees are doing those things regularly (non-zero amount, sure. But there's a reason that the TLA's hire so many Mormons)
Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by mrguyorama on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:03PM (#36960888)
Real intelligence gathering isn't James Bond.
Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by jedberg on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:08PM (#36960968)
A lot of it is not, but there are agents who do James Bond like things (although not that dramatic).
Re:Senate Votes to Let People Who’ve Used Marijuana Work at ... by derefr on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:17PM (#36961083)
You're conflating being an intelligence operative with being an intelligence agent. The salaried employees of the CIA (operatives et al) do not "drink and do drugs with people they're trying to collect intel from." They recruit local contacts (agents) to do that for them.

Think: DEA employee, vs. DEA criminal informant. The job of the DEA employee is not to infiltrate drug gangs. It's to organize and monitor the infiltration of drug gangs. The criminal informant wears the wire. The DEA employee sits in the black van outside, listening to the wire.

The most common position in the CIA is "analyst." The job of a CIA analyst is to sit there in a cubicle and read/listen to all the evidence gathered by agents (or spy satellites, or wiretaps, or whatever), gathering any "interesting" stuff into a report (with a further fan-in to "senior analysts" who map-reduce all those reports into "intelligence".) Unlike an operative, an analyst doesn't even get to speak with any agents — let alone head out into the field to recruit them.