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Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by sircastor on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:02PM (#36958836)
You can spend a lot of money on a good iron, but you probably don’t need to. The pinecil is shockingly good for the price. And I mean that it is competitive with a nice Hakko at literally $800 less. It’s not perfect for all situations, but if you’re doing anything short of soldering all day everyday, spend $40 and get a Pinecil off Amazon. Learn how it works, and get an appropriate stand for it.
Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by zxexz on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:53PM (#36960674)
Or buy directly from Pine64!
Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by nine_k on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:52PM (#36965485)
Interestingly, it's somewhat cheaper than buying via Amazon.
Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by dharmab on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:19PM (#36966181)
You will have to wait for shipping from China- I bought one as a gift for a friend and it took about two weeks from order to arrival.
Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by sircastor on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:51PM (#36966421)
It’s the shipping. Amazon is subsidizing the shipping in the price. There’s an advantage there that you can get it in a couple of days instead of weeks.
Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by petsfed on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:13PM (#36961034)
I agree that nobody needs a multi-hundred or thousand dollar iron just to learn on, but I think your rec of the pinecil for beginners is a bit flawed.

To start with, the fact that the manufacturer includes the instruction set and address space size before the heat-up time makes me pretty skeptical. I get that its hackable, and that's cool and all, but as with all "smart things", I care about the "thing" part way more than the "smart" part. I can implement a PID controller in about 20 minutes (maybe an hour if I need to bit bang the pwm output) on any number of microcontrollers; that's the easy part.

Also, the USB-C power supply is going to be nothing but a headache. I already have drawers and drawers of usb cables that can't handle the current I want to use, now I need to keep careful track of my soldering cable, which only performs at 60W over USB (and at best 90W using a barrel jack supply)? And the iron doesn't even come with a power supply, so you have to go source that too. It may be $40 for the iron, but then its another $10-40 for the power supply, plus (as you say) an appropriate stand, brass sponge, etc, etc. Suddenly, the dedicated station like the (very affordable Hakko FX888D-23BY) starts to look pretty good.

The pinecil seems like a good thing to keep in your crash bag, but it feels a bit like refusing to buy a power drill because your swiss army knife has a screw driver.

Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by dharmab on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @03:43PM (#36961576)
If you buy direct from Pine64, you can get a stand for an extra two bucks. A brass sponge is what, another two dollars? And many hackers likely already have a GaN charger or Apple charger.
Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by petsfed on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:08PM (#36961937)
Great, perfect for the would-be hacker who bought an arduino and some random breakout board! All that stands between you and a dodgy temperature sensor is a [checks notes] spare laptop power supply! Who doesn't have one of those just laying around prior to embarking on a career of hardware hacking?

My criticism is that, as a first soldering iron, you shouldn't have to have a bunch of background knowledge just to know what parts are missing. They should at least sell a kit with all that stuff.

Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by dharmab on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @07:24PM (#36964689)
My first soldering iron was the one from Harbor Freight. No kit there either, I had to look up a list of stuff to buy.
Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by arp242 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:53PM (#36965498)
> My criticism is that, as a first soldering iron, you shouldn't have to have a bunch of background knowledge just to know what parts are missing. They should at least sell a kit with all that stuff.

I guess that's fair for someone who is completely new to the world of electronics such as teenagers or older people who just never really did a lot of tech stuff.

But for many tech-y people without a soldering iron the Pinecil is fine; I don't currently own a soldering iron and I've never really been into electronics, but the Pinecil would be brilliant for me because 1) I know about tech-y stuff in general, and 2) I do know the basics of electronics and how to solder. I think this probably applies to most of the sad losers on HN who don't own a soldering iron.

In general Pine64 is explicitly aimed at hobbyists and people who "know what they're doing" rather than the mass market.

Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by eternityforest on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @12:04PM (#36972772)
You need some way to power the stuff you're going to build, so why not just get a multi-output charger that can run the Pinecil and also power your project and charge your phone?

Now that USB-PD triggers, and ESP32 Arduinos with USB-C exist, I think it makes a lot of sense just to use them for almost everything.

Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by johnwalkr on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:07PM (#36961930)
I don't care at all about the hackability of the pinecil but I think it's excellent. I have a Hakko FX880 and a "T12 clone" and I have not used them in years now because the pinecil is just as good for anything I do and it's so much more convenient to unplug my laptop and plug in the pinecil when I need to solder for an hour. Plus the tips are good and cheap.

I've not had any trouble using a random usb-c cable or laptop usb-c charger. But I recommend the pinecil silicone cable for $4 that won't get burnt.

Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by alexvoda on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @03:04PM (#36975510)
I never bought the Pinecil because I already had its predecessor the TS100 which uses the same tips and it does its job perfectly. It lacks USB-C though.
Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by jeffalyanak on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:33PM (#36962346)
My pinecil hits 350-400°C in a matter of seconds with a 65W PSU.

It can use type-c _or_ a barrel-jack DC adaptor.

Re:IronOS: Open-source soldering iron firmware by l8rlump on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @05:45AM (#36968835)
If you're skeptical about the power supply, you may be enlightened by this: https://hackaday.com/2023/01/31/all-about-usb-c-pinecil-sold...

I think it's thoughtfully designed.