We are all constantly building products on other products, given a license that allows for that, without contributing work or money to the products.

Is there anything noteworthy about this case that warrents a special inquiry or should I assume that you are acting in bad faith?

I was just curious given that ProseMirror is used a lot and doesn't seem that well supported financially.

> We are all constantly building products on other products, given a license that allows for that, without contributing work or money to the products.

This type of attitude is pretty harmful for open source. Folks (especially companies) should support their key dependencies where they can.

I don't think that is true but in any case: Honoring the license, which we are usually we particular around here, has to be enough. The license is up to the licenser. white knighting it on a arbitrary per case basis seems like really bad practice.

Whoa, can you please make your substantive points without breaking the site guidelines? You broke these:

"Converse curiously; don't cross-examine."

"Assume good faith."

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to those rules, we'd be grateful. I took a quick look at your previous comments and didn't see any pattern of guideline breakage (thank you!), so this should be easy to fix.

Since the last few weeks we are focusing on the development of Tiptap. We definitely want to have a solid foundation, so we will support the projects we rely on. Without their work, Tiptap wouldn't be possible.

So, no then.

No, that's a false assumption from my 3-day-old answer, as you can easily see on our GitHub profile: https://github.com/ueberdosis

That was not an assumption, it was literally what you said underneath your spin while not directly answering the question. I’m glad it changed. The fact that it did change does not change the fact that you did not contribute when you wrote your original response, which was what I was addressing.

I don’t appreciate your attempt to paint me as a liar to make your company look better.

What about Yjs?

TipTap uses YJS under the hood for conflict resolution.

Yes, our collaboration backend Hocuspocus uses Yjs.

We know the technologies we rely on, but we also know how important it is to find a sustainable way to maintain an open source project. For a popular project that a lot of other people rely on, this means getting money for development. Since Tiptap is also open source, we can see how the big players are using our project, and sponsor tiny amounts or nothing. We try to do it better than they do, because open source is definitely in our DNA, as it was in our previous work as a digital agency, and now since a few weeks with our focus on Tiptap.

I hope you guys do well, I'm a big fan of the open core model and I really enjoyed using TipTap. This is the client I integrated TipTap with if you're interested in collecting examples in the wild: https://bundleiq.com/

Interesting! How do you get my data into your system to train the AI?

Oh I just did some web development work for them a little over a year ago, where I added collaborative editing. It's an AI-powered note-taking app, with several integrations like Notion and (I believe) Google Docs. I haven't worked with them in a while so they may have changed their model, but once you give them permission they ingest all of that data and weave it into your own notes.