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Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by vbezhenar on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:29PM (#36951958)
It does not think about anything. It continues previous conversation. If the previous conversation would imply positive sight on eugenics, it'll write good arguments for it. Otherwise it'll write good arguments against it. There's whole spectrum of opinions on every question in the written literature. And if there's not, it's easy to create opinion using some similar analogues. So Chat will basically write whatever you want to hear.
Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by jojobas on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:37PM (#36951993)
That's a simplistic view on this. Explain this with "continues a conversation".

https://twitter.com/maxhkw/status/1635693113560772633

Humans start by continuing conversations as well, but then are able to process facts to deduct new, previously unseen conclusions (sometimes wrong), and so do LLMs.

Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by calibas on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @12:36AM (#36952353)
If your conversations don't include processing facts to deduce "new, previously unseen conclusions" then you need new friends.

It's "continuing a conversation" in that it's predicting output token-by-token based upon training and the context window. I'm not trying to be dismissive, I actually don't think it's much different from how humans do it.

Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by jojobas on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:21AM (#36953673)
Well that's what I'm saying, they're perfectly capable of figuring out things that were not mentioned in the training corpus at all (see above comic), or to synthesize what it saw in far unrelated areas of the corpus into unknown as before data.

Some may not want to call it thinking, but that's ahead of thinking ability of many an adult human with voting rights.

Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by electrondood on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:59PM (#36952112)
THANK YOU. These are literally word-prediction machines. What they "think" is whatever probablistically follows from the training corpus, and then your input.

If your model wasn't trained on tons of text about how great eugenics is, then it learns that words expressing positive sentiment in the context of eugenics are extremely low probability.

This is also the "cause" of "woke" models: it turns out that the majority of us recognize that being an asshole is bad, and this is reflected in the majority of the training corpus, which comes from us collectively.

Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by jojobas on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:06AM (#36952539)
If that was bad, ChatGPT wouldn't be spewing boilerplate "x bad" responses, it just can't follow from the training corpus that includes all sorts of views on pretty much anything.

They had to plug it. Why?

Also see above, they are word prediction machines similarly to how humans are word prediction machines.

Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by xigoi on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @02:16AM (#36952918)
> it turns out that the majority of us recognize that being an asshole is bad

…but we disagree about what “being an asshole” looks like. Reasonable people think hating people for their sex/race is bad, no matter which one it is.

Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by jpgvm on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:22AM (#36953674)
"Reality has a liberal bias"
Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by xigoi on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:25AM (#36953699)
If you ignore everything that goes against your bias, then it definitely does.
Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by jojobas on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:26AM (#36953712)
"Right-wing facts".
Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by xigoi on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:29AM (#36953728)
I remember the times when opposing discrimination and censorship was considered left-wing… Just goes to show how meaningless these labels are:
Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by master-lincoln on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:10AM (#36953983)
This was probably when these words had their original meaning: censorship is something only a state actor can do and is not about companies having rules about what is published on their platforms. Discrimination is when people are treated differently because of attributes they had no influence in (age, sex, origin, skin color,...) and not about excluding people with attitudes you don't like.
Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by xigoi on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:15AM (#36954019)
> not about companies having rules about what is published on their platforms

So why are wokeists constantly complaining about what companies allow on their platforms?

> Discrimination is when people are treated differently because of attributes they had no influence

Yes, so why would that exclude men or white people?

Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by master-lincoln on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @06:59AM (#36954563)
> So why are wokeists constantly complaining about what companies allow on their platforms?

I don't know, but maybe because they want to make sure minorities are being treated fairly, so they advocate for removing language they think is insulting people or belittling them. Again, this has nothing to do with censorship.

> Yes, so why would that exclude men or white people?

It wouldn't

Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by jojobas on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @07:05AM (#36954596)
Censorship is when one person has something to say, another wants to hear that, and something else is in the way.

Discrimination is what you said with no exceptions for overrepresentation.

Re:How to Get ChatGPT to Stop Apologizing? by justrealist on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:01AM (#36952510)
GPT-4 has safety layers on top of the core model, trained on labeled human feedback.

People are asking for the raw output of the underlying LLM, which is a pretty clear ask that doesn't require deconstructing the sentience and model-building capacity of an LLM.