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Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by freedomben on Monday July 31, 2023 @12:40PM (#36945245)
Fedora is particularly bad at what you describe. It's basically just impossible for somebody who isn't already in the system (or doesn't know somebody who is already in the system) to get into the system. Between hard to find documentation and requirements like, "just join the mailing list and ask for people to sponsor you" (which nobody wants to do when they don't already know you) you have to really want to do it. I could have easily maintained several packages that I built, but after sinking 4 hours into it (building the packages only took an hour or so), in the end I just threw them on my COPR and called it a day. I'm not going to spin my wheels trying to jump ridiculous non-technical hurdles and try to navigate needlessly opaque processes.
Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by teddyh on Monday July 31, 2023 @01:01PM (#36945575)
In Debian at least you can become a Debian “Maintainer” more easily than you can become a Debian Developer.
Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by bfrog on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:16PM (#36947462)
Sure, but building debian packages is akin to needing to read lord of the rings before doing anything. There's so many deb helpers and various files/file formats that need to be understood. How and where files should go. It's horrendously complex compared to PKGBUILD and makepkg.
Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by secondcoming on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:01PM (#36947994)
Yup, been there and walked away from it all.
Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by teddyh on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @11:46AM (#36957576)
It’s not great, true, but it’s not quite that bad. There are tools to generate templates, and “lintian” will complain about the package for most everything which is possible to get wrong.
Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by ezekiel68 on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:08PM (#36946539)
> Fedora is particularly bad at what you describe.

Thank goodness. There is no other free Linux distro out there which gives the benefits of both a stable release with great support for most of the latest hardware AND rapid package/kernel updates (approaching a rolling release). This must not be easy since its so rare. Whatever they are doing regarding maintainership is working very well from what I can tell.

Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by freedomben on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:19PM (#36946685)
> There is no other free Linux distro out there which gives the benefits of both a stable release with great support for most of the latest hardware AND rapid package/kernel updates (approaching a rolling release).

This has nothing to do with that. They could absolutely make it easier for new people without harming their quality. For God's sake just better documentation would help, and I don't see how they're going to lose hardware support because they wrote one canonical page with all the info you need. The process should be more of a checklist to complete, and less of post-crime forensic investigation where tons of details and tips are missing and people have to draw flow charts and hunt for missing information just to figure out what the next step should be. Your reply is a (very) shallow dismissal of an actual issue and (assuming you're not alone) probably the reason this is such a problem in the first place.

Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by unmole on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:47PM (#36947103)
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed says hi.
Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by ezekiel68 on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:59PM (#36947256)
Maybe so. You wanna hear something crazy? I'm still salty over MS partnering with SuSE to offer Linux indemnification from SCO's legal action in 2004. But I'm not entirely impractical. Most how-tos and tutorials cover the Debian and RedHat descendents but only occasionally cover rolling distros or SuSE derivatives.
Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by lannisterstark on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:59PM (#36947267)
That's...not what they meant. That's not what's happening either. It discourages newer maintainers. older maintainers eventually retire.

What a strange POV. "Thank goodness x and y are blocked off."

Now make the same argument for proprietary software. "Thank goodness x or y don't allow just randos to touch their source code and make PRs. That'd be DISASTROUS!"

Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by crznp on Monday July 31, 2023 @04:39PM (#36948455)
I don't think it is a strange point of view: Fedora is a good outcome, so don't question how the sausage is made.

Maybe it is shortsighted in the long run? We'll see. I'm glad that we have choices -- AUR on one hand, Fedora on the other (and Debian, Alpine, etc)

Re:The Most Prolific Packager for Alpine Linux Is Stepping Away by ibotty on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:14PM (#36946624)
It's not as bad as you make it to be. There are bugzilla categories like needs-sponsor that will usually attract a sponsor pretty soon.