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Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by passwordoops on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:52AM (#36942464)
Yeah but I'd bet the one we see in the video is probably still working, while I'm on my third fridge in 20 years. I think that negates any energy efficiency gains
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by drakythe on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:10AM (#36942734)
Remember when looking at old technology that still works Survivorship Bias is a thing to be aware of. Yes, that elderly family member with the 1950’s fridge makes us jealous. But how many of their friends who bought that same fridge had to upgrade because theirs crapped out?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by bsder on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:54PM (#36951396)
Part of "Survivorship Bias" is also "repairability".

My father used to replace the control thermostat in our refrigerator about every 5 years and the compressor somewhere between every 10-15 years.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by ImHereToVote on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:31AM (#36953741)
Yeah but did all that environment saving that your father did make him feel as virtuous as someone who buys a green certified product?
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by AlecSchueler on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:05AM (#36942650)
Why doesn't everyone have old fridges then? You only buy new when the old one breaks down right? But if the old ones were so sturdy why were they all replaced?

I expect there's some survivorship bias at play here.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by mholm on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:15AM (#36942816)
> You only buy new when the old one breaks down right? In my experience it's half and half. Sometimes people have a nice old reliable fridge that just looks ugly and dated to their tastes, so they upgrade. Same with older energy inefficient fridges.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by rascul on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:25AM (#36942991)
I used to deliver and install appliances. My experience is approximately the same as yours. About half the time the old fridge broke, the other half is for upgrades or something when the old fridge still works. Or because the easily replaceable and still working fan makes some noises sometimes. That fridge is now in my kitchen.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by ryandrake on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:53AM (#36944512)
It's amazing what working stuff people will throw out simply because it's out of fashion, or failed in some easily repairable way. You can outfit an entire house with furniture, appliances, and electronics from the dumpster outside of a vain/impatient person's apartment.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by adhesive_wombat on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:01PM (#36950582)
A replacement for the dented door for my 9-year-old fridge costs more than I paid for the whole thing originally. Some repairs are not that economical compared to a shiny new model with a fresh warranty. It's not my instinct (and I have the skinned knuckles from a fraught dishwasher heater pump swap to show for it), but I can see that the inflated spares prices, shipping, labour and call out fees if you can't DIY, hassle of locating the parts if second-hand (good luck figuring out the model numbers, there are thousands and thousands of subtle differences), transporting the thing if it can't be fixed in place, etc etc, do add up to Beyond Economical Repair for some people.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by treis on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:24AM (#36942985)
Energy efficiency is a big one. You'll make back the new fridge cost in 5ish years over a 20-30 year old fridge. Depends a lot on local energy prices and if it's a garage fridge.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by CivBase on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:12AM (#36942783)
Because it's more convenient to buy a new fridge than to seek out an old one in good condition on the used market? And because they don't manufacture old fridges so the remaining good ones fetch a much higher price? And because there's no way for a consumer to reasonably determine the longevity of a new product before purchase?

I don't necessarily think that's why people aren't buying this fridge but those are reasons why new products can still be successful even when they're worse than the old ones.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by AlecSchueler on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:43AM (#36943348)
Why do you make your statements into questions?
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by CivBase on Monday July 31, 2023 @02:35PM (#36946920)
To emphasize they are hypotheticals which I am offering with an unsure, questioning tone.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by BeetleB on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:02AM (#36943651)
> You only buy new when the old one breaks down right?

Are you kidding? You must not live in the US.

People buy new phones despite the old one working. My phone is almost 6 years old. No one I know keeps phones around that long. Becoming rare to see anyone keep one for even 4 years.

I lived on cheap, used furniture. There's a glut of it, because people buy new furniture despite their old ones being just fine.[1]

People often change their cars even though they're not even 10 years old.

They change their shirts even though the old ones are not worn out.

And so on. There are not that many things people keep till they break down.

[1] They cost about 10% of a new one. Heck, do this experiment: Buy an expensive table/bed. Don't even assemble it. Immediately put it on the used market. Note how know one will buy it for even half the price. I have one that I can't sell for 20% of the price. Unless it's some fad item or office chair.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by Broken_Hippo on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:58AM (#36944600)
... Why do you think this is going to be special to the US?

Do you think other cultures don't have consumerism? (they do). Or maybe other countries have old stuff more often?

I like cheap, used furniture. But I also understand that furniture wears out. I've had legs break, arms split, cushions lose comfort. Beds get lumpy. Finishes wear off. Drawers come apart and dovetail joints break. Some of it becomes unreliable or unsuited for daily use. Fine, keep your linens in that old dresser, but using it daily will hasten its end - that one drawer is barely together, after all.

Not to mention that some of these things are just not usable in modern society. An old desk might be pretty, but it wasn't designed with a computer in mind. Good luck fitting your great-grandmother's dining room table in your small dining room. It was made for 8, and you have a family of three. Beds with a metal boxspring built into the frame aren't as comfortable to sleep on as you might imagine and can be quite squeaky. Some old furniture just won't fit in your abode either - and boy, oh boy is some of it absolutely filthy.

Sometimes you can fix this stuff, if you have the time and space and equipment to do so. Many folks don't.

And of course lots of folks replace cars. In most places in the US, you can't survive without a vehicle. A vehicle that breaks down is a vehicle that can get you fired. It is much easier to keep up with an older car if you don't have to rely on it. And again, you still have issues with having to be able to have the time, space, and tools to work on it - and you might need to have enough strength.

And so on.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by MikusR on Monday July 31, 2023 @12:01PM (#36944655)
Because they leak coolant. And turns out the old coolants destroy the ozone layer.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by Spooky23 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @12:32AM (#36952324)
Size and the retirement of Freon.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by photonerd on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:00AM (#36942588)
I’ve had 8 fridges in 22 years, up until my latest I’ve they were all from this supposedly better age. All failed, in some cases disastrously.

The only one that’s survived longer than a few years for me? The new one. Going 6 years strong.

Not everything on my new one is perfect—I managed to break the built in water jug—but I feel a lot of the replies here need to take into account survivorship bias.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by bombcar on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:11AM (#36942752)
Survivorship bias and "when do I toss it" - I have a freezer/fridge thing from Best Buy (something like this but it was about $300 on clearance: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-13-8-cu-ft-garage-read... ) that literally is one box that you can dial in a temperature on. It had wifi for some unknown reason that never worked, but still pitifully broadcasts a wifi hotspot. It's been running for five years now, and it can only die by ceasing to freeze; there's nothing else to break.

The fridge in the kitchen, however, has various features, some of which would cause me to throw it away even if it was still functioning as a fridge/freezer - for example, if the ice maker died, I might just replace the whole thing, instead of spending $300 to replace the ice maker, especially if it's a metric pain in the ass to do so.

I try to take a look at repair prices and parts now before buying, because a $500 appliance where the likely breaking parts cost $500 is unlikely to be something that lasts long-term.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by marricks on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:03AM (#36942615)
What do you do to your fridges??? I'm in my 30's and have never had to replace a fridge.

Never had a "modern" fridge except as a kid. All looked like low budget fridges from the 80's or 90's.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by taeric on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:10AM (#36942736)
Quality of power supply to your house will almost certainly be one of the bigger factors in how long things last. Combined with standard stochastic behavior, I'd expect anecdotes of both kinds.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by jwells89 on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:18AM (#36942857)
I suspect that a great many problems with electronics, lifespan related and otherwise, are rooted in power quality issues.

The newer apartments and house I’ve lived in as an adult have been decent in that regard, probably because they’re closer to being up to spec electrically and have newer lines running to them thanks to being in urban areas, but one of my childhood homes out in the countryside which is now approaching a century in age had a “habit” of killing computers every so often.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by bombcar on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:28AM (#36943046)
A whole-home surge protector is something everyone should install, just out of general principles.

And if you have appliances/computers die, you should get your electricity monitored to see if it's out of bounds.

In fact, anytime an appliance dies you should do a post-mortem to try to identify if something about the house may have contributed to it (hard water, electrical spikes, etc).

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by photonerd on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:19AM (#36943932)
I’ve had that kill HVAC for sure (capacitors get fried if you have power issues).
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by smileysteve on Monday July 31, 2023 @05:18PM (#36948981)
Re: Power; Digital Inverters, variable compressor technology are recent in the last decade and should reduce compressor failure from invalid state; More insulation added over the last 3 decades should reduce compressor run time, further reducing failure.

IMO, most "failures" are from failure to replace relays and door seals.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by taeric on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:32PM (#36949775)
Exactly. By most evidence, new machines should be lasting longer, all told. That so many people feel that is not happening seems to be interesting, in itself. Could be correct, I don't know.

And same in experience. At large, the doors that are getting opened and closed repeatedly by my kids are far far more likely to get broken than any others. Which leads to door seals that are not up to where they should be. And will not surprise me that we run those compressors harder than we would otherwise. Which will lead to those failing.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by Spooky23 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @12:29AM (#36952304)
A friend worked for GE Research a several years ago. They were focused on reliability engineering. Meaning have predictive reliability on a bell curve to avoid failure during the 3 year warranty period, and to have a rate of failure during the extended warranty period to preserve the margins.

The impact of surprises… bad components, variances in operational conditions, etc can have a big impact. Also, the quality improvements that emissions controls had on cars didn’t happen for white goods. Cars were hit with emissions AND safety standards, which raised prices.

For appliances instead they incentivize things like all electronic controls (more prone to failure with rough service or high heat), and undersizing components. Old appliances were all mechanical and easily fixed, the electronics tend to turnover quickly and are difficult or impossible to get from a 3rd party.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by bena on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:15AM (#36942817)
I've purchased two fridges in my life.

I've had one fridge fail on me in my life. The compressor (I think) failed and no longer cooled the fridge. The difference in replacing the compressor or getting a new fridge was negligible.

Other than that, I've only changed fridges when I moved. The house we bought didn't come with a fridge, so we had to buy one.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by photonerd on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:18AM (#36943912)
They were old. They failed. That’s what happens.

One the compressor died & would have cost about 5 times the value of the fridge to replace. One a coolant line cracked (guessing just age). One the seals on the doors failed. One actually started HEATING things… that was ODD. One just… stopped, no idea what was wrong but nothing obvious.

Old stuff breaks.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by Retric on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:10AM (#36942741)
So you needed to replace 7 fridges in 16 years? You’re either a crazy statistical outlier or doing something very very wrong.

Something seriously wrong with your houses electrical supply is the obvious explanation but it’s far from the only possibility.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by photonerd on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:14AM (#36943863)
It’s called “old fridges eventually fail”.

Nothing statistically strange about that.

Luckily most were either “came with the place” ones or cheap 2nd hand ones. The point being: old fridges also fail, in fact they’re more likely to as they get older!

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by Broken_Hippo on Monday July 31, 2023 @12:03PM (#36944687)
That's sometimes what happens when you buy used stuff, especially appliances.

You might get something that lasts for a few years. It might last 8 months.

It might have roaches, too.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by Spooky23 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @12:15AM (#36952224)
The biggest issue is the fridge is buried behind cabinets in a 30 1/8” opening. They overheat.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by low_common on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:17AM (#36942844)
My parents have lived in their house for 28 years and had to replace the fridge like two or three times. 8 fridges sounds like your house might be part of the problem.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by photonerd on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:19AM (#36943941)
Did they buy them new?
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by jy14898 on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:10AM (#36942747)
7 fridges over 16 years is crazy, do you live in a hot climate?
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by bena on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:20AM (#36942904)
I live in a hot climate. I've had one fridge break on me in about 19 years. I've technically used 5 over that span, but I've also gone through 4 addresses in that time as well.
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by photonerd on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:20AM (#36943949)
Not when they’re old
Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by rsynnott on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:52AM (#36944505)
... Huh. Was this from a range of manufacturers? That seems like an astonishingly high failure rate. Anything funny about your electricity supply?

EDIT: Ah, misunderstood.

> all from this supposedly better age

is in reference to _old_ fridges; I'd read it as being a complaint about _new_ fridges. All these failures were old fridges.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by KennyBlanken on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:47AM (#36943406)
Maybe you should look at why your fridges keep dying instead of assuming it's the norm.

I've got a fridge that uses 1Kwhr/day whihc places it near the bottom of the current energy start guidelines and it's about 15 years old.

Re:A fridge from 70 years ago has better features than the f... by delfinom on Monday July 31, 2023 @12:45PM (#36945322)
I have a old basic GE fridge with a mfg date of 2008. It's still going strong and I hate myself for fixing it because it's fucking miserable having to bend down to the fridge as a tall person LOL. (I really want a bottom freezer fridge, single or french door) In the last month I have dropped probably 5 glass items and shattered them because I'll hit my hand on something trying to put things in or out of the fridge.