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Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by the_only_law on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:26AM (#36942153)
I’ve been looking at all jobs in my local area for a little while now.

Despite a lot of construction, I have seen very few “hiring” signifiers anywhere. A few management and PM roles get posted, usually wanting people with long established experience, but not many labor jobs.

There’s a big construction project that’s been going on right next to me for a while. When I go past it, there’s a lot of yellow tape, and signs warning that it’s a felony to steal from the site, but no “we’re hiring” signs.

Most of the jobs I see are bottom tier retail or restaurants positions, call center positions, some logistics jobs, medical jobs, and management.

Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by MaxHoppersGhost on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:22PM (#36950744)
Where do you live? These jobs are probably in places that are seeing big growth like Florida, Texas, etc.
Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by blamazon on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:38PM (#36950865)
Every major urban city has these jobs - population is not the only type of growth. Industrial, commercial, infrastructure projects demand just as much if not more of these jobs than residential.
Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by the_only_law on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:49PM (#36950950)
I’m in Florida
Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by blamazon on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:34PM (#36950833)
These jobs are not generally posted online because it is a fractious world of zillions of tiny business entities. Those PM/management type jobs are posted by general contractors which are much more conglomerated and white-collar (not entirely) than the subcontractors they manage. At those levels, trade unions facilitate a lot of the hiring, and the rest is often word of mouth and person to person relationships involved, independent contractors and small businesses and whatnot. You might go to a local general contractor and say, do you know anyone looking for help for role X or Y? Almost guaranteed they do.

You also won't find hiring signs at large construction sites because it's a significant nuisance to have a steam of random people (usually unqualified) walking into a managed construction area constantly. I know this from experience.

Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by bluGill on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:53PM (#36950977)
They are not able to interview at the construction site, and may need you to attend off site safety training before you are allowed in. They are hiring, but it isn't walk in and start working.

Not everyone is hiring all the time either.

Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by forgetfreeman on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:58PM (#36951008)
Really? Because it used to be you could walk through a subdivision going up with a toolbelt slung over your shoulder and you'd have a job by the 4th house site you stop at.
Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by blamazon on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:08PM (#36951066)
You can probably still do that in lots of places in the residential single family rapid copy-paste development space (there's a reason why so many of those new homes are terrible quality these days) but unless you have trade qualifications, you're probably going to start with basic and grueling 'unskilled' general laborer work.

Large or more technical construction projects (industrial, public infrastructure, roadways, government projects, warehouses, commercial, bespoke luxury homes, dense multi unit housing, office buildings, skyscrapers, sports arenas, etc) are a completely different ballgame - consider it the difference between college (or even high school) football and the NFL. Safety and liability are taken much more seriously because the stakes are higher, the scale larger. It is correct that you generally cannot even enter such a construction site without an offsite (although usually adjacent) training operated by the general contractor, (who manages site liability) in like an office trailer.

You can still walk into that office trailer (after knocking or ringing a doorbell, usually) and ask the general contractor if they know anyone hiring for role X or Y, etc. This is somewhat okay because during construction phase of a project, GCs usually operate on an interrupt-based process of various and numerous onsite folks walking into their trailer needing this or that. But odds are pretty good they'll quickly tell you to get lost if you're not showing them some sort of valued trade qualifications or know them personally in some way. If you have those qualifications, usually your phone is already ringing off the hook (see above article) and you don't have to walk into random construction sites, hence why so many of the people that do have no qualifications.

Another way to get your foot in the door is to go to a temporary staffing agency like PeopleReady and tell them you want such a construction site job. It will be grueling 'unskilled' general labor. Then you can get the training to get on the site, and possibly make a connection for future work. (Does not happen successfully often, except for the most exceptional and lucky temp workers)

Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by blamazon on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:20PM (#36951914)
And, I feel it should be said, that unless you are in a union-hostile environment you can generally in a similar way pick up a toolbelt, walk into a few union halls and ask for steady skilled work with good pay and benefits and they'll explain the path to get there with them which, at a good union, will be transparent and fair - one of the main potential benefits of trade unions is democratizing the trade skills qualification process.
Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by bluGill on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @07:53AM (#36954866)
Unions in many cases are 'a good old boys club' and will not always let's random people without connections in. Sexism and racism happen.

Not always and they are getting better, but there is still a problem there.

Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by blamazon on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @09:18AM (#36955571)
Unfortunately I don't really see much of a difference between that and the behavior of many incorporated business units in construction. Also - a good union is a foil to a bad business, but rarely the other way around.

It's a moldy part of the piece of bread that prospective workers have to eat around, whether they go union or non-union, until we can get rid of it completely. But we're making progress fast.

Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by tuatoru on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @01:14AM (#36952599)
> It will be grueling 'unskilled' general labor. Then you can get the training to get on the site, and possibly make a connection for future work. (Does not happen successfully often, except for the most exceptional and lucky temp workers)

... and people wonder why there is a "labor shortage" for these jobs.

There is no labor shortage, there is a glut of roadblocks.

Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by forgetfreeman on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:04PM (#36965050)
Trade qualifications?? Have you ever worked in construction? HVAC, Electrical, and Plumbing are the only three trades involved with making a house that have any form of credential available. Literally everything else is the wild west.
Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by blamazon on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @08:27PM (#36965262)
Thinking more intangibly outside those three - the qualification of previous experience, however you wanna try to evaluate that in yonder Wild West.
Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by bluGill on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @10:04PM (#36966067)
You won't pass inspection if you can't build to code. It isn't hard to learn that on the job. It also isn't hard for inspectors to tell who does a bad job. Even of the three you name, most (not all) of the qualification is just about doing time and isn't really needed for doing a good job.
Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by forgetfreeman on Wednesday August 02, 2023 @01:11AM (#36967178)
One doesn't go to trade school to build to code, there's no cert for it, and I won't bore you with the number of times I've watched inspectors faceplant on code enforcement.
Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by TimedToasts on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:11PM (#36951087)
I still listen to commercial radio and my 'hard rock' local radio station runs ads for this stuff all the time. Carpenters, hvac, and sheet rock are what I remember but I do my best to tune commercials out, sorry. ;) Lots of drivers also wanted, trucking and short haul? maybe? I admit to not remembering my terms.

Also bailbonds, divorce lawyers who specialize in men's cases, and requests emailed in from the local prison.

Re:American hard hat jobs have the highest level of open pos... by pengaru on Monday July 31, 2023 @09:18PM (#36951142)
I think you usually join a local union serving a specific subset of construction. Filling jobs is major part of what the union does for you.

Ages ago my dad worked concrete construction back in IL. I was young and didn't pay much attention, but I recall him referring to "the hall" as where he'd go to find work. Google search turned up this:

https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em...