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Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by Escapade5160 on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:29AM (#36940722)
I can agree with this. Everywhere you look in windows you have Microsoft screaming EDGE. It's not enough to use their OS, Email client, Office apps, and gaming system. No we have to use their browser too.
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by bundie on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:41AM (#36940789)
That's true. I switched to Linux Mint on my Latitude E7450 and the experience so far has been great. The only downside is that I cannot hibernate the system, which means I have to shut down every damn time.
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by beardyw on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:32AM (#36941127)
It seems to be caused by inconsistencies in the power handling hardware. I now have a laptop which came with Linux installed and it's the first time it's worked!
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by hef19898 on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:52AM (#36941280)
I run Ubuntu on Lenovo Extreme Gen 2, and hiberbation just works fine (I don't rember if I did some BIOS tweaking so). Battery consumption during hibernation seems to be higher than Windows, but that's about it.
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by vladvasiliu on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:58AM (#36941338)
> Battery consumption during hibernation seems to be higher than Windows, but that's about it.

Are you actually hibernating it, or doing the "hybrid sleep" thing, which only sleeps and then hibernates? In my case (Arch) the default for hybrid sleep is to keep it in sleep state for quite a while, whereas windows shuts down fairly quickly when unplugged.

Actual hibernation is shutting the computer completely off, so I'd be curious to know how one OS could have a different power consumption than another.

Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by hef19898 on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:59AM (#36941344)
Ah, that could be it... But then I only used standby and shutdown under Windows as well anyway...
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by vladvasiliu on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:12AM (#36941443)
I'm not a regular windows user, so I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that, by default, windows will keep the computer in "sleep" mode if it's plugged in, and pretty quickly put it in hibernate if it's asleep and unplugged.

The way I found out is this one time I left work with my laptop under windows and asleep.When I arrived home an hour later, it had to go through the full bios setup (which you can't miss since it's ridiculously slow) and then it went and booted Linux (it's the default boot setup). When I rebooted back to windows, I found my previous stuff open. Since this happened again a few times, I figured it was normal behavior.

My default Linux install won't automatically hibernate while asleep as long as the battery is above some threshold, like 10%. And since the computer doesn't support S3, only "modern standby", it will chew through the battery like no tomorrow.

Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by MayeulC on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:16AM (#36941482)
The system is not supposed to draw any power while hibernating (suspend-to-disk). Maybe you're thinking of suspend-to-ram (sleep)?

To diagnose hibernation issues, I'd double check the kernel command line (resume=<disk or inode>) argument. That it's still the right location.

Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by jitl on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:18AM (#36941495)
How is that great? I would rather run Mint in a full screen VM under windows and have hibernation on a laptop.
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by theonlybutlet on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:42AM (#36941749)
Throwing this out there, perhaps you've tried already, but maybe it'd help. Installing TLP?
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by TheRealSteel on Monday July 31, 2023 @07:59AM (#36941342)
Don't forget "We ran into a problem so we changed your default PDF program to Microsoft Edge" that just happens to conveniently occur
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by vladvasiliu on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:20AM (#36941505)
At this point, I think they're just doing it automatically. I only rarely use windows and didn't bother to install another browser, yet I still sometimes get the "welcome to edge / make it your default browser" crap.
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by Already__Taken on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:02AM (#36941360)
as far as i can tell Teams will not open links in the default browser it's hard coded to edge://
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by atraac on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:33AM (#36941651)
It's the worst software I've ever used, but it does open links in default browser - Firefox in my case, without any issues.
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by ta1243 on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:05AM (#36941391)
The linux client is hard coded to whatever it's builting browser is (some chromium bit?)

It's a right pain as it means when I get an authentication popup I can't use my integrated password manager like I can with say Slack's authentication popups.

(yes I know that integrating browsers with pw managers are bad)

Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by TacticalCoder on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:06AM (#36941406)
> No we have to use their browser too.

I switched my mother-in-law (nearly 70 years old) to a Chromebook and I made my SO switch her little PME from Windows to Ubuntu more than a year ago and she has zero issue.

As for the rest of my family, they kept calling me on the phone over the years with Windows issue and... I made them all buy Mac computers.

Life is better without Microsoft.

Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by bloopernova on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:50AM (#36941832)
PME?
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by orwin on Monday July 31, 2023 @10:26AM (#36943017)
Probably a French slip up, it mean 'Petites and Moyennes Entreprises' (small and medium companies) and in France is a colloquialism that doesn't really have an English translation? I'd say 'small business', but basically it mean it's a company with more than 2 millions and less than 50 millions revenue (I think you also have an upper and lower limit of workers like two or three hundreds, but the real limits are revenue, especially in our hardware/software fields)
Re:Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge by darksfall on Monday July 31, 2023 @11:33AM (#36944185)
"SME"? "Small to Medium Enterprise".

Seems almost as close as you could get.