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Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by 40yearoldman on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:52PM (#36937293)
We should fist question the question proposed. The “climate crisis” is not going to suddenly go away by banishing a few yachts that would not even register on carbon emissions.

It’s much more mundane. Normal everyday actions by the un-wealthy masses are what drive carbon emissions.

Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by conception on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:01PM (#36937372)
In the US 85% of emissions are transportation (which people don’t have a mundane choice generally on how they travel - low emission options come from regulatory and policy choices), energy production (again, not mundane), industrial processes (again not by people) and agriculture.

If you’re argument is that people consume the things provided to them and they could vote with their wallet ignores going to the root of the emissions and tackling the issue there.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emis...

Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by 40yearoldman on Sunday July 30, 2023 @09:59PM (#36938041)
I am sorry. I don’t think you know what “mundane” means. Transportation is exactly mundane, private yachts and jets are not.

I made no such arguments. You have built an entire story in your head. How the fuck you came to that conclusion?? Did you even read my comment? Or did you just vomit out anti response because of emotions?

The only argument is that moaning about greed and yachts is like being upset about a pinhole leak in a dam that is entirely collapsed 20 feet down.

Pro tip:

mundane - Of, relating to, or typical of this world; secular.

Aka ordinary.

Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by wizofaus on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:11PM (#36937444)
Perhaps, but the lifestyles of the rich and famous are still something the masses tend to hope to emulate.
Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by 40yearoldman on Sunday July 30, 2023 @10:38PM (#36938223)
Hopes to emulate don’t result in yachts creating cabin emissions.
Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by magic_hamster on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:59PM (#36937357)
Carbon emissions biggest offender is the energy industry. How is that the work of the unwealthy masses?
Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by civilized on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:03PM (#36937389)
The energy industry powers all of industrial civilization. Everyone, wealthy or not, relies on industrial civilization to survive.
Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by jacknobody on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:26PM (#36937541)
That has only been true for a few hundred years at most.

Perhaps we could have avoided this outcome, and perhaps there's still a way to return to a sane life.

Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by 40yearoldman on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:16AM (#37019663)
Life is sane. People are living longer than they ever did in history, most live better than kings of the past. Must of history lived in horrid conditions, so I don't think this outcome is all that bad.

Yet sane life here with flushable toilets, antibiotics, and global communications, is something we should avoid...

None of these can be had without the infrastructure we have built. None of the advances in the human collective knowledge could have happened. We know this because we can look back in history and see how long humans clanked rocks together and yelled at the sky above for rain.

Only a fool would suggest we should have avoided this outcome, all while typing on a keyboard connected to the most advanced thing humans had ever made.

Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by chiefalchemist on Sunday July 30, 2023 @08:01PM (#36937367)
Un-wealthy === un-powerful.

It's flawed and naive to point fingers at those with relatively no power. This issue is not new. It's been on the radar of those with power for *decades*.

But it easy to shun responsibly and accountability when you're redirecting the narrative from your yacht.

Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by 40yearoldman on Sunday July 30, 2023 @10:03PM (#36938065)
Wow. Another story teller. There was no finger pointing, I did not blame anybody. I simply pointed out the hat the target complaint, if resolved would not change anything.

If you took every yacht away. Nothing about climate would change.

Your response reeks of emotional bias. Please try again.

Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by chiefalchemist on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:07AM (#36940570)
Bias? Nah.

But you seem to have forgotten saying:

"It’s much more mundane. Normal everyday actions by the un-wealthy masses are what drive carbon emissions."

Before we continue, why do you say what you mean instead of saying what you thought you said?

The fact remains...the power-less are merely "following orders", while the power-having reap the spoils.

Re:Greed and Excess Drive the Climate Crisis, So Why Aren’t ... by 40yearoldman on Monday July 31, 2023 @03:48PM (#36947831)
Okay neo-matrix post modernist. Nobody is talking about power. The fact you have even brought a power dynamic into this shows exactly who you are. What is worse is you don’t even properly understand the power manic beteeen the masses and the world.

The masses are the post poweful group in the world. They set the pace for everybody else.