No, but a restaurant and grocery store around the corner would nice.

The small city i live in, of 15k people, has 4 or 5 office buildings smack dab in the middle of it but no commercial. Talk about a wasted opportunity.

Grocery stores around the corner do not work in spread out neighborhoods because the Krogers/Costcos/Albertsons/Walmarts will be able to offer lower price due economies of scale, and anyone with a car will choose to drive 10min, or stop on their way home, to save money rather than go to the higher priced grocery store around the corner.

Do you think larger grocery stores don’t exist in city downtowns?

I searched for Whole Foods locations and they seem to have about 13 in Manhattan itself. There’s a Costco in Manhattan. And there are several other major grocery stores some unique to New York. There are also large independent grocery stores and independent online grocery stores that will do hourly deliveries (the 15 mins deliveries thankfully seem to have largely died out).

And that’s before you get to the hundreds of farmers markets.

And how about all the butchers, seafood stores, cheese shops, spice stores, etc.

And then you get the international grocery stores with Korean, Japanese, Indian, Chinese grocery stores.

Ah, and you have 24/7 bodegas on newrly every corner if all those don’t work for you.

Clearly you did not read the parent comment.

They work in Manhatten because of population density, the grand parent clearly said they do not work in "spread out neighborhoods"

So now we are shifting the goal posts from "walk-able neighborhoods" to walkbale high density neighborhoods. Not only do I oppose walkablity I also oppose High Density, I like my Single Family home on .75 acres of land or less.

I do not want to live stacked on top of others, if you want that stay in NYC. thanks

Nope I prefer cheap food and a large selection at a Large Kroger or Walmart then expensive food and limited options from a corner NYC style "bodega"

as do most people that live in the suburbs which is why suburbs are not "walk-able" because people leave the cities to escape walkablity

I dont want to walk anywhere but from my front door to my car

I politely suggest you might be under scoring your body's needs and how they affect your life.

I politely suggest that zoning is not the proper regulatory framework to score, assess or influence what by body needs.

This is a false dichotomy. You can have reasonably priced food you can walk to.

Basic economies of scale disagree,

Neighborhood stores will not have the volume to support a 100-300,000 sqfoot store, with all the selections I get at my local supermarket that services many many neighborhoods

> a Large Kroger or Walmart then expensive food and limited options from a corner NYC style "bodega"

There’s a lot in between those two extremes.

My favorite neighborhood I’ve lived in was on the Northside of Chicago where I had a medium-sized, independent grocery down the block on the local arterial road and a neighborhood of single family homes in the blocks surrounding it. The arterial roads have commerce, and the side streets have homes. You can walk, you can drive, take transit.

> I dont want to walk anywhere but from my front door to my car

I’m sorry for you.

At this point single use zoning in the US has departed a long, long way from ‘exclude harmful to health’ uses from residences.

And these days state laws and building codes do much to prevent these anyways.

I think it’s clear that this conversation is about business office districts and not cement manufacturing?

I don’t see any cement plants in Manhattan and I don’t think many cement plant employees work remotely.