Is that actually true? Subscriptions £30 pm Starbucks £40 pm Phone contract £20 pm ISP £30 pm

That’s £120 pm, or £1440 annually. Doesn’t seem like it would make that much of a dent. Probably the number one thing you’d need to do is cut down on food costs, which is doable, to be fair, as it’s quite easy to spend 10x or 100x more than what you need to stay fed.

Sorry for the pedantry, but 1 coffee at Starbucks per day is closer to 120pm alone.

I was thinking more what would a typical Starbucks regular spend in a month. Like I don’t think they would but a £4 drink every day.

It all adds up. If you only have a Starbucks on special occasions it isn't much, but some people have daily habits. Likewise a lot of people have the most expensive cable plan which is a lot more money. Phone plans can also get a lot more expensive if you but top of the line phones every couple years.

Ok, could you do the math then? Try to see how many Starbucks coffees you have to forgo to afford a down payment at a median house in the US.

The current median home sale price in the US is $416100[0], so with 3% down for a first time homebuyer, and assuming a Starbucks coffee costs $3.50 including tax, it'd take 3567 coffees, or about 9 years and 9.5 months of a daily habit.

That ignores any interest on the savings. So yeah it seems like "small" regular spending in your 20s (e.g. $100/mo total) can add up to an entire down payment in your early 30s.

[0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS

Now, could you add on the housing price inflation over the last 10 years? Your calculation assumes housing prices stay flat for the next 10 years, which is a tall order.

Also, what would happen to people with not so well off parents?

The avocado toast meme is six years old now, and people said the same thing at the time (hence it becoming a meme). It's fair to say "actually I don't have any subscriptions and don't buy daily coffee or go to restaurants/bars (including fast food or pickup) or drink alcohol or smoke or use any other drugs" but complaining that $3/day doesn't add up to a down payment was wrong then and it's still wrong now even after the housing balloon of the last few years. Simple math demonstrates this.

If someone's parents were able to provide a place to live until 18, why is 19 suddenly impossible? You don't need to be well off to let your kids stay with you a little bit past legal adulthood. Surely there's room for a couch or a bean bag or something to give them a huge leg up right out of the gate, assuming you were in a marginal position where you otherwise needed to immediately kick them out and downsize.

Some people are going to have rough situations and can't rely on a family at all. Some will need to emancipate before reaching 18. How common is that? If it is common, that seems like the real problem to address.

Well, as the parent poster mentioned, interest on the savings are not taken into account. Furthermore, the inflation in the price of the Starbucks coffee is also not taken into account. So, seems like the logic/reasoning still stands.

Okay, so do the math. How many Starbucks coffees should I abstain from to afford a home?

I wouldn't worry too much about the coffee, everyone knows it's avocado toast that really destroys your chance of affording housing.

No you can't. What does Internet and a computer cost next to rent and going college? Let's say $2,000 for a really nice laptop and another $1,800 for 3 years of Internet access (@ $50/month), round to $4k? Vs $40k, easy, for college?

Before there was starbucks there was a local cafe and coffee shop, before the Internet there were newspapers and magazines to pay for.

It can't be done. We've lost something. We have also gained things. don't get me wrong, I like having the Internet.

If only I could give up Hulu and Netflix, I could afford to go back to college and go on vacation every year? Let me guess, I also just need to eat less avocado toast and I'll be able to afford the downpayment on a house.