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Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by underdeserver on Sunday July 30, 2023 @09:24AM (#36930935)
As an equal-parts driver, biker, e-scooter rider and pedestrian, this is horrible. Yes, you have to focus on the driving, or walking, or scooting, but you're in constant stress because you can accidentally hit someone coming from any direction. Or they can hit you.

It's far better to have separate spaces, and cross only when you really have to.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by chmod775 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @11:20AM (#36932082)
Maybe you should be stressed? The point might be that environments where you're not stressed because they lull you into a false sense of security tend to kill more pedestrians.

You're moving tons of metal at high speeds. Don't get too comfortable doing that.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by hulitu on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @04:55AM (#36953882)
Yet some cyclists have no issue going with high speed through children on those streets.
Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by tremon on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:18AM (#36954034)
I have also seen cars go 60+ km/h through traffic-calmed cul-de-sacs where children were playing on the street. Are you saying that only cyclists emulate Carmageddon in real life?
Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by chmod775 on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:07AM (#36953971)
What is the point here?

We shouldn't build roads that are proven to be safer... because some cyclists are idiots?

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by underdeserver on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @05:56AM (#36954218)
Why do you assume I'm the driver in this case? I'm stressed as a pedestrian too.

You really think it's healthy to be stressed all the time?

I live in Israel and we've had pro-democracy demonstrations in a main intersection in Tel Aviv, every Saturday for the past 30 weeks. There are people and bikes all around but no cars and no motorcycles. It's ridiculous how calming it is to be on the street and not have to worry about hitting someone or getting hit.

Re:If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity by underdeserver on Tuesday August 01, 2023 @06:00AM (#36954238)
Also, when I'm on the freeway, though I'm moving tons of metal are even higher speeds, I'm somehow less stressed. I'm alert, I'm actively driving, but less stressed - because the frequency of surprising events happening is low. In the city there are jaywalkers, kids, tiny bikes with no lights, e-scooters, buses pulling in and out of stations, gas scooters cutting you off. It's completely different.