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Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by rowanG077 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:40PM (#36926855)
Why aren't we going electron lithography? As a laymen I think it should easily be able to surpass EUV in terms of resolution. I would imagine there are very good reasons why we aren't seeing it.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by barelyauser on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:43PM (#36926877)
You may be able to surpass it in resolution but you can't surpass it in terms of throughput.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by _hypx on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:43PM (#36926878)
Electrons are electrically charged, so a beam of electrons will interfere with itself. The only way around this is to have a very narrow beam, but that kills throughput.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by bilsbie on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:51PM (#36926935)
How about muons then?
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by icapybara on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:02PM (#36927012)
How should we produce the muons?
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by m00x on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:34AM (#36927836)
Muonic generator, ofc.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by WantonQuantum on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:49AM (#36927905)
Just for the fun of it, I googled muon production and found this at the Paul Scherrer Institute in Switzerland: https://www.psi.ch/en/media/the-sms-muon-source

It does highlight some potential pitfalls. Chiefly the rapid decay of muons and dealing decay particles. Also you need a source of high energy protons.

Proton lithograhy anyone?

Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by rowanG077 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:40PM (#36934511)
Neutron lithography would be better then. You don't have the charge issue.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by blackoil on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:15AM (#36928050)
Considering everything is already in scifi zone. "By harnessing orgasms of space cats"
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by ars on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:35AM (#36927845)
Muons are also electrically charged - how would that help anything?
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by rowanG077 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:40PM (#36934516)
Muons are much heavier while having the same charge.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by icapybara on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:01PM (#36927006)
Well put.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by crote on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:14PM (#36927107)
Because it has absolutely awful throughput. Electron-beam lithography has an output measured in days per wafer. Meanwhile, EUV can easily output 150+ wafers per hour.

When the choice was made to go for EUV, E-Beam was actually the most mature technology available for next-gen lithography - but it just wasn't economically viable. The technology has remained in development over the years, but not a lot has changed yet.

If you want to know more about the topic, I can strongly recommend this video from Asianometry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmgkV83OhHA

Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by rowanG077 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:33PM (#36927232)
I mean if the machine is 100x cheaper to buy/maintain it might still be worth it. The price for EUV in TCO per machine is insane.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by _hypx on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:10PM (#36927434)
It would have to be on the order of 1,000-10,000x cheaper for it be worth it. Not to mention that each wafer needs dozens of layers to function. So you will need to wait a very long time for all the layers to be completed.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by patmorgan23 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:13PM (#36927450)
Not if the throughout is 1000x slower.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track by zogomoox on Sunday July 30, 2023 @03:38AM (#36928790)
If China can't get their hands on EUV, E-Beam seems a logical step for them to develop anyway.