Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by rowanG077 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:40PM
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Why aren't we going electron lithography? As a laymen I think it should easily be able to surpass EUV in terms of resolution. I would imagine there are very good reasons why we aren't seeing it.
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Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by barelyauser on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:43PM
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You may be able to surpass it in resolution but you can't surpass it in terms of throughput.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by _hypx on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:43PM
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Electrons are electrically charged, so a beam of electrons will interfere with itself. The only way around this is to have a very narrow beam, but that kills throughput.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by bilsbie on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:51PM
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How about muons then?
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by icapybara on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:02PM
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How should we produce the muons?
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by m00x on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:34AM
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Muonic generator, ofc.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by WantonQuantum on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:49AM
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Just for the fun of it, I googled muon production and found this at the Paul Scherrer Institute in Switzerland: https://www.psi.ch/en/media/the-sms-muon-source
It does highlight some potential pitfalls. Chiefly the rapid decay of muons and dealing decay particles. Also you need a source of high energy protons.
Proton lithograhy anyone?
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by rowanG077 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:40PM
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Neutron lithography would be better then. You don't have the charge issue.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by blackoil on Sunday July 30, 2023 @01:15AM
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Considering everything is already in scifi zone. "By harnessing orgasms of space cats"
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by ars on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:35AM
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Muons are also electrically charged - how would that help anything?
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by rowanG077 on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:40PM
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Muons are much heavier while having the same charge.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by icapybara on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:01PM
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Well put.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by crote on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:14PM
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Because it has absolutely awful throughput. Electron-beam lithography has an output measured in days per wafer. Meanwhile, EUV can easily output 150+ wafers per hour.
When the choice was made to go for EUV, E-Beam was actually the most mature technology available for next-gen lithography - but it just wasn't economically viable. The technology has remained in development over the years, but not a lot has changed yet.
If you want to know more about the topic, I can strongly recommend this video from Asianometry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmgkV83OhHA
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by rowanG077 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:33PM
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I mean if the machine is 100x cheaper to buy/maintain it might still be worth it. The price for EUV in TCO per machine is insane.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by _hypx on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:10PM
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It would have to be on the order of 1,000-10,000x cheaper for it be worth it. Not to mention that each wafer needs dozens of layers to function. So you will need to wait a very long time for all the layers to be completed.
Re:ASML EUV Lithography Machine Could Keep Moore’s Law on Track
by patmorgan23 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:13PM
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Not if the throughout is 1000x slower.