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Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by space_fountain on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:42AM (#36920235)
It's not just the NSA buying this data right? So is it illegal when say a marketing agency buys the data? If not why should it become illegal for the government?
Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by iinnPP on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:46AM (#36920270)
It sure should be illegal all around.

The second piece about comparing the government to a business isn't valid. There exist many laws and rules that apply only to the government.

Not that I agree with the distinction. I think companies larger than the US government at formation should probably have rules to keep them good for humanity.

Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by mtsr on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:54AM (#36921440)
Indeed. Many laws and regulations around government agencies (not US specific, as I’m in the EU) specify what the agency is allowed to do, rather than what it isn’t. This is much easier to enforce, although it does require more regular review of regulations (that specify the details) to keep with the time.
Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by oneplane on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:44AM (#36920258)
Because the government can put you in jail and the marketing agency can't. (I think I head this simplified response on the Risky Business podcast)

Realistically, scraping people for their data like this should just not be allowed at all. People are more important than corporations.

Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by seanp2k2 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:37AM (#36921302)
But in America, “corporations are people, my friend!”
Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by eadler on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:30PM (#36927555)
Corporate personhood predates the formation of the United States and is not unique to the states.
Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by jonhohle on Saturday July 29, 2023 @01:53PM (#36922740)
The phrase I’m familiar with is Monopoly on Violence.
Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by retrocryptid on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:48AM (#36920293)
Because the marketing agency can't have you targeted in a drone stike.
Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by lesuorac on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:01AM (#36920399)
Why not? Historically, corporations have had armed private forces that they've used to kill people.

Although you may have miss the tamer recent version where Ebay sent "a bloody pig mask, a funeral wreath, and a book entitled “Grief Diaries: Surviving Loss of a Spouse", practiced installing a GPS tracker and then travelled 3000 miles to install one, "The Defendants also posted the Steiner’s address on Craigslist and other websites, inviting strangers to the Steiners’ home for sex parties, and advertising yard sales".

The story has a happy ending though as "Defendant Wenig departed eBay with a $57 million severance package.".

> https://www.techdirt.com/2021/07/29/exec-that-tried-to-send-...

> https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.236...

Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by gottorf on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:25AM (#36920627)
That eBay story is wild, and does make you wonder how deep the rot must be in that company. Also, why on Earth does eBay need a "global intelligence center" and a "global security team"? Do they have a completely separate line of business that I'm not aware of?

At least one person went to prison, so there's that.

Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by rolph on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:22AM (#36921130)
Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by SAI_Peregrinus on Saturday July 29, 2023 @08:59PM (#36926565)
Any sufficiently powerful corporation is indistinguishable from a government. There aren't many corporations who currently exercise their money to get such power, but it's happened before and can certainly happen again.
Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by retrocryptid on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:21PM (#36934311)
I suspect you have worked neither in government or industry. Things look different outside academia.
Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by retrocryptid on Sunday July 30, 2023 @02:20PM (#36934299)
As it turns out, a bloody pig mask isn't a drone and planting a GPS tracker isn't the equivalent of killing or maiming everyone at a wedding and the people that did this were subject to criminal penalties.

This is in contrast to militaries who are assumed to operate as legitimate extensions of foreign policy.

Re:Instead of obtaining a warrant, the NSA would like to kee... by mrangle on Saturday July 29, 2023 @10:44AM (#36920806)
For the same reason that the Constitutional protections exist to restrict the government, specifically.