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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by mrd3v0 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @03:53AM (#36917930)
Aside from mishits like backdoors in E2EE, which are also being considered in the US, UK and already law in places like China, these regulations will affect privacy-invasive monopolies and oligopolies. They will not affect 'innovation.' Innovation comes from publicly-funded organisations and projects. Even profit-driven startups that innovate are eventually bought out and destroyed by these monopolies and oligopolies EU is actively prosecuting.
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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by oytis on Saturday July 29, 2023 @04:37AM (#36918193)
Uhm... No? Transformer architecture comes from Google, and it's most impressive applications are developed in OpenAI. Public institutions are seemingly just trying to catch up (like Stable Diffusion developed in LMU a year after OpenAI released Dall-E)
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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by rpastuszak on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:19AM (#36918391)
I don’t think I’m getting your point here, SD is superior to Dall-e almost in every way.
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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by nologic01 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:40AM (#36918836)
The pattern academia -> commerce is well known (and not in itself evil). At some point in the past decade any ML/AI academic that could spell backpropagation got poached (many from European universities).

Once a domain proves short-tern lucrative, business is more than happy to invest but typically with very pragmatic targets. The recent reorgs in said commercial teams being point in case.

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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by oytis on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:59AM (#36919374)
That's what called innovation I guess. Innovation introduced by public institutions is rather an exception than a rule - e.g. development of the internet infrastructure was funded publicly at first. What happens normally is that public institutions do fundamental research and businesses innovate. In case of AI businesses seem to be ahead even in fundamental research presently.
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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by nforgerit on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:21AM (#36918395)
> They will not affect 'innovation.' Innovation comes from publicly-funded organisations and projects.

Looking at my home-country Germany that is a funny thing to say, since the public sector is living in a 90s/00s alternative OOP timeline and doesn't get anything done. The car oligopoly is frantically trying to gain competence in "user software" by stealing game designers and buying foreign startups. Meanwhile, the local startups are held down by German bureaucracy(tm) which additionally usually doubles down on any EU guideline.

Over the last 20 years, they all reached a level of incompetence which makes it very hard to not believe in a conspiracy.

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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by Karsteski on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:15AM (#36918674)
How does one steal a game designer? Are they being kidnapped en masse?
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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by nforgerit on Saturday July 29, 2023 @06:40AM (#36918842)
They’re lured out of their hipster game studios with candy to end up sitting in cubicle offices getting their ideas downvoted by enterprisy manager-hierarchies.
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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by newswasboring on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:05AM (#36919006)
I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Or what you are even joking about.
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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by beebeepka on Saturday July 29, 2023 @07:59AM (#36919375)
What is your point, exactly? I assume it goes beyond "this sort of language is too colourful".

What this person is saying makes perfect sense to me.

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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by newswasboring on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:22AM (#36920048)
Then please help me understand because I genuinely did not get the point.
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Re:Hugging Face, GitHub and more unite to defend open source... by DANmode on Sunday July 30, 2023 @07:57AM (#36930275)
...candy is money and perks.
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