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Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by nkozyra on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:24AM (#36908235)
It's curious to frame this as an intentional act rather than an inevitable, natural stage of capitalism.
Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by gumballindie on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:43AM (#36908561)
I get that, but it’s almost if someone’s trying to prove the point you just made.
Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by amelius on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:57AM (#36908800)
This is like saying that anything that can be hacked, should be hacked (instead of fixed).
Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by nemo44x on Friday July 28, 2023 @01:08PM (#36909973)
That's the main idea behind accelerationism from a Landian perspective. That capitalism is just getting started and that it's unstoppable and that it won't transition into socialisim like Marx predicted but rather will encompass more and more of everything and be the vehicle for the next evolution into a cybernetic species. It's the evolution of evolution and it's unstoppable. So get on with it and learn to love it.

Quotes like "it is easier to imagine an end to the world than an end to capitalism" and Mark Fisher's (CCNU and Nick Land, etc)ideas around capitalism realism sort of sum it up.

Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by Nursie on Friday July 28, 2023 @01:57PM (#36910657)
I mean, it’s pretty easy to imagine capitalism precipitating the end of the world …
Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by nemo44x on Friday July 28, 2023 @02:09PM (#36910851)
I don't see that per-se. I think it's more likely that capitalism continues to rapidly advance technology to the point where we truly do evolve evolution. So a certain part of the global population will have access to DNA synthesizers and other biotech and AI and can reproduce a master race of post-humans that will dominate and eventually annihilate Homosapiens. After a few generations of rapid improvement (a singularity where post-humans and AI merge into a single entity) they'll view the rest of the world as we view other primates today and won't have much use for them. If not through intentional genocide then just being unable to compete for ecosystem, etc. Homosapiens will fade away as Neanderthals did.

Capitalism is a system (much more than just an economic system) that allows for selection like this. In a sense a type of market driven Darwinism which chooses how energy is spent developing the tools that allow humans to evolve rapidly into the next thing. That it's natural that Capitalism started with the industrial revolution which marks the beginning of humans evolving tech rapidly. It's almost as if it was inevitable once we reached that stage. To be against it is futile as it's as natural as gravity. And we just keep getting better at it.

Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by Nursie on Friday July 28, 2023 @02:14PM (#36910930)
Or capitalism will fuck the environment so thoroughly before we get there that the above can’t transpire.
Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by nemo44x on Friday July 28, 2023 @02:46PM (#36911374)
Maybe, maybe not - but that's sort of the point. It doesn't really matter since there's no alternative. Accelerationism isn't even a conscience choice per-se - it's a phenomenon that is a product of technological advancement of which Capitalism is the vehicle for. If anything, the only conscious choice is to not resist it as that's ultimately futile since it can't be stopped. Well, unless we went full Teddy K, which I don't think is likely.
Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by JohnFen on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:08PM (#36914015)
This is not a rational response, I admit, but I simply cannot accept that our doom is inevitable and resistance is futile. If that's the case, then what's the point of even waking up tomorrow?
Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by nemo44x on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:05PM (#36916447)
Personally I don’t think nihilism is a great compass. You’re right - what’s the point? But do we need a higher good to beat on? Why not just enjoy the essence of our personal temporal existences and make whatever meaning makes sense to us as individuals?

And I don’t think doom is the right word. I mean yeah, Homosapien as we know it being wiped out but in a way similar to Neanderthal.

But it’s just one theory on it all. :)

Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by Nursie on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:43AM (#36917018)
There are multiple alternatives, this is just one particular dystopia you’ve foreseen.

Capitalism can be effectively regulated and often is, and as a system it only works effectively due to the presence of regulated markets.

Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by nemo44x on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:02AM (#36920942)
Sure, you can regulate and probably should. It’s important that genuine technology is brought to market.

But I posit that it doesn’t really matter. Technology will ultimately prevail. I’m not sure I would call it a dystopia but rather the next step in the evolution of life.

Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by Nursie on Saturday July 29, 2023 @11:31AM (#36921223)
It’s a dystopian fantasy, one that has been played out in a variety of novels.

There’s nothing inevitable about it.

Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by JohnFen on Friday July 28, 2023 @06:06PM (#36914000)
> Capitalism is a system (much more than just an economic system) that allows for selection like this.

You just described capitalism as a kind of suicide pact.

I don't entirely disagree, but limit this critique to unrestricted capitalism. Unrestricted capitalism is a monster that would, if never restrained, basically destroy everything.

Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by nemo44x on Friday July 28, 2023 @10:58PM (#36916393)
Yeah like a creative destruction type thing. I think the point is to destroy whatever this is by the process of evolving evolution via capitalism’s ability to rapidly push forward tech which creates genetic/dna synthesis which evolves into post-humans.

How can we stop a force of nature?

Re:Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse by JohnFen on Saturday July 29, 2023 @09:35AM (#36920167)
Well, I don't think it's actually a force of nature. It's a result of human decision.