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Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by chollida1 on Thursday July 27, 2023 @04:03PM (#36899356)
We know someone who backed over their child and the child died.

I assure you, that was not a nuisance.

Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by forgetfreeman on Thursday July 27, 2023 @07:01PM (#36901246)
I know three guys that got hit by lightning. I still don't consider wild-ass outliers when making decisions.
Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by chollida1 on Friday July 28, 2023 @07:09AM (#36905235)
Luckily for you, you don’t need to. Consider outliers.

The reason they the US mandated backup cameras was due to accidents like this.

They were that common.

from your original point.

> In response to your post however I think we can dispense with the notion that folks backing into parked cars, light posts, etc, represents anything more than a nuisance to whoever owned the property that got backed into. Yeah it says "crash" in the writeup but we're not talking Michael Bay style 8 lanes of exploding cars here.

Given the complete lack of any empathy at all you've shown, I don't expect you to change your mind on this, but please try to consider if we have a way to prevent deaths, then maybe we should try and not just consider a parent backing over their child to "represents anything more than a nuisance to whoever owned the property that got backed into."

Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by forgetfreeman on Saturday July 29, 2023 @01:26AM (#36917220)
We're getting pretty far afield from the original point of decoupling control systems from network connected infotainment systems, which doesn't necessarily eliminate backup sensors or cameras. The current everything-in-one-bucket implementation is a matter of convenience and cost savings for the manufacturers, not a hard technical requirement.

I could go on at length about the consequences of trying to play whack-a-mole with human stupidity and how that just breeds stronger idiots. There have been no significant changes to vehicle-related death statistics since the 90s when airbags were mandated, despite significant improvements to crash protection and countless here-let-me-help-you-with-that safety features that have been introduced in the last 30 years. So what do you call it when improving safety doesn't actually improve safety?

Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by defrost on Saturday July 29, 2023 @01:45AM (#36917303)
> So what do you call it when improving safety doesn't actually improve safety?

USofA exceptionalism?

Road Deaths per 100,000

    Year  USofA    Australia
    1990  17.88    13.66 
    2021  12.89     4.4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...

Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by chollida1 on Saturday July 29, 2023 @05:06PM (#36924597)
> There have been no significant changes to vehicle-related death statistics since the 90

I mean, if you look at the data, you'll very quickly see you're wrong

https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/statistics-data/...

Fatalities have gone only down over teh past 20 years.

Your assertion that car deaths haven't moved is false

Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by forgetfreeman on Sunday July 30, 2023 @12:12AM (#36927737)
I looked at the data for the continental us and deaths per vehicle-hour is flat as a fucking strap when graphed over the last 30 years.