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Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by world2vec on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:13PM (#36896819)
As an EU citizen I need to apply for an ESTA to travel into US. They get my fingerprints and a photograph besides a scan of my password when applying to said ESTA. Seems it's only fair US citizens get the same treatment? Alas, I'd prefer a much easier entry system for both sides. Aren't we all supposed to be friendly allies?
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by nikolay on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:26PM (#36897063)
It's not fair in the context of American exceptionalism.
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by chrisweekly on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:27PM (#36897077)
"scan of my password" you meant "passport", right?
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by ok123456 on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:39PM (#36897323)
my voice is my passport
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by world2vec on Thursday July 27, 2023 @04:35PM (#36899774)
Yes, my bad.
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by cmrdporcupine on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:37PM (#36897286)
Unfortunately, while as a Canadian I am sympathetic to your point about the obnoxiousness of US passport / border entry controls... it's not just a symmetrical tit-for-tat, as the EU has also imposed this stuff on Canadians.

In the past a passport was sufficient on both ends, as far as I understand it. Now Canadians will have to do this same thing.

Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by m_t on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:45PM (#36897406)
Europeans also have to apply for an electronic thing to go to Canada.
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by Scoundreller on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:47PM (#36897437)
Canada has required its own eTA garbage for EU citizens since late 2016 or so.

But only when flying commercial.

Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by bloppe on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:49PM (#36897475)
It's funny how everyone framed this as US vs. EU. It really didn't have to be framed that way.
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by fatfingerd on Thursday July 27, 2023 @04:13PM (#36899491)
The US launched the first violation of visa free travel agreements, which the EU had to accept but could not have done first.

Given a world where they would have had to back down on US/Canada, it would have been a diplomatic disaster to go through and try to justify why they are not going to back down with the other countries.

Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by akvadrako on Thursday July 27, 2023 @03:11PM (#36898654)
It was only recently that Americans could visit Canada without a passport. It's amazing how every country has clamped down.
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by cmrdporcupine on Thursday July 27, 2023 @04:26PM (#36899663)
That was a post-9/11 thing, and came from the US side as I recall. Used to be able to enter with just a driver's license. Then you could only do that at the land border. Then it was passport only.

And at each point the volume of hostile tone from US homeland security guards has increased. It can be quite stressful crossing at times and I generally avoid it, even though I'm only 45 minutes from the border.

Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by mrguyorama on Thursday July 27, 2023 @04:45PM (#36899898)
Our family in northern maine used to go shopping in Canada every few weekends to abuse the weak Canadian Dollar, but then those damn terrorists came in through the exact border crossing we would use and wouldn't you know it, crossings got a little less liberal after that.
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by Scoundreller on Thursday July 27, 2023 @05:12PM (#36900241)
Americans can still visit Canada without a passport by land as long as they can satisfy proof of citizenship.

It’s technically the US that requires Americans to have a US passport to re-enter USA. Not sure what they do, can’t refuse a US citizen entry into USA but I guess they could give you a hard time.

Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by cmrdporcupine on Thursday July 27, 2023 @05:30PM (#36900423)
On a work trip to the US recently I lost my passport for a bit and spent some time frantically searching what would happen if I showed up at a land crossing back into Canada without it. TLDR they would have given me a hard time, put me through the ringer, but ultimately would have to let me back in assuming all my other ID, references, etc. check out. I'm sure it would be highly unpleasant.

Airlines of course would imply have returned to board me without it.

Luckily I recovered it (bless you, friendly helpful people at the Sioux Falls airport) before my return flight.

(Replacing it would have had me stuck there for many days and requiring me to travel to Minneapolis or Chicago and beg for mercy at the consulate.)

Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by sremani on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:36PM (#36897259)
>> Aren't we all supposed to be friendly allies?

We are allies -- but it is not a symmetric alliance.

Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by TwoCent on Thursday July 27, 2023 @04:01PM (#36899337)
DeGaulle's observation that "nations do not have friends, only interests" comes to mind.
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by User23 on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:47PM (#36897435)
The general custom in international relations is tit for tat on this kind of thing. Hopefully the EU signals they will be happy to drop or simplify the requirements if the USA agrees to as well.
Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by glimshe on Thursday July 27, 2023 @03:50PM (#36899183)
Reciprocal/fair treatment makes sense from a moral perspective, but businesses actually don't like it. Every little added burden reduces the number of tourists.

The US, given its popularity as a destination, believes that people will deal with it. It has always been like that, traveling to the US from anywhere is generally annoying. Not sure how American tourists will feel about this friction, even if fair in theory.

Re:Visa-free travel to Europe for U.S. citizens to end in 20... by tim333 on Friday July 28, 2023 @11:36AM (#36908448)
I have to say my last trip to the US (Austin this spring) in spite of the ESTA thing was the easiest ever. I didn't even have to fill a paper form or answer dumb questions - just fingerprints and in.

You used to have to fill out in writing if you'd ever been affiliated to a communist party or done, drugs, where are you staying, how long, and be interrogated. I almost got deported a couple of times for saying I hadn't figured which hotel or how long I was staying.