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Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by VectorLock on Thursday July 27, 2023 @11:01AM (#36894655)
Because people want things like remote start, remote climate control, etc. that they can control from phone apps.
Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by forgetfreeman on Thursday July 27, 2023 @11:08AM (#36894759)
Do they though? I mean if it's there sure people will mess with it but I don't recall any public outcry for either center dash ADHD factories or keyless anything.
Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by dsr_ on Thursday July 27, 2023 @11:28AM (#36895036)
In my experience, people like the following remote features:

* Where's my car? Press the button, get a honk.

* Lock the doors. If they're powered, close themi first.

* Unlock the doors. If they're powered, open them afterward.

* Warm up the car, it's cold outside.

* Cool down the car, it's hot outside.

So that's five buttons on a remote, maximum. None of them require connection to infotainment systems.

Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by dsr_ on Thursday July 27, 2023 @01:24PM (#36897032)
If I didn't care about discoverability, I could reasonably reduce that to:

* Lock button. Hold it down to get a honk.

* Unlock button. Hold it to get the car started; if the interior temperature of the cabin is outside a set range, warm or cool it appropriately.

Make one button big and round and smooth and bright, and the other one big and square and textured and dark.

Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by fragmede on Thursday July 27, 2023 @02:50PM (#36898361)
That's easy enough for the salesman to tell the customer when they're looking at the car. Still need a button to open the trunk tho.
Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by VectorLock on Friday July 28, 2023 @12:38AM (#36903150)
I do, yes. It'd also be nice to know things like state of charge/how much gas I got, whats the car temperature now - tell me when it reaches X, look at my car's cameras. There are plenty of compelling use-cases.
Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by forgetfreeman on Friday July 28, 2023 @01:47AM (#36903442)
There was a time when vehicles had dedicated gauges for vital info like operating temp, oil pressure, rpms, etc. so it's not like solutions don't already exist that don't involve a fucking tablet in the middle of the dash. Backup cameras I'll give you though.
Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by JohnFen on Thursday July 27, 2023 @06:17PM (#36900892)
I can't be the only one who actively doesn't want any of that. Surely there's a market for those who just want a car, not a smartphone on wheels.
Re:Automakers Try to BS Their Way Past ‘Right to Repair’ Sta... by forgetfreeman on Thursday July 27, 2023 @07:45PM (#36901583)
There aren't many of us left but you aren't alone.