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Re:How too much daydreaming affected me by lazide on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @04:02PM (#36884073)
Not sure if this is related, but interestingly enough too, I’m wondering if RSD is actually a PTSD trauma reaction triggered by the rejection.

If someone was neglected or attacked by a caregiver when they approached them for help, especially if it was infrequent, and repeatedly told they weren’t allowed to feel bad about it/it wasn’t happening/if it was happening it was all their fault, and suffered significant distress because of it - how else would it present?

Especially if it was at an age where they couldn’t process or verbalize what was going on, and the parent was one they couldn’t reject themselves (because they needed them or they’d be orphans or whatever).

If RSD is really due to emotional neglect/rejection based Complex PTSD underlying the whole thing. It would make a lot of sense.

Re:How too much daydreaming affected me by soulofmischief on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @04:25PM (#36884430)
Hmm. I experienced this. As a child, I chewed on my shirt. No one could figure out why. From kindergarten to maybe 4th grade, it was a problem. My guardians' response was to collude with the school administrations and instruct teachers to call me out in class and belittle me if they saw me chewing on my shirt, and to send me to the principal's office. Then I would get beaten/punished at home. This happened with regularity. A lot of shame and punishment.

At the time, I had undiagnosed OCD. And, it turns out, the medicine which I was being given against my will for an ADHD diagnosis I received at age 5, was causing me to experience dry mouth, which made me instinctually suck on the buttons and corners of my shirt. Mystery solved. But two therapists and years of punishment didn't figure that out. I did, in my adulthood.

I had the same experience with uncontrollable, hour-long bouts of laughter which would end in vomiting and extreme stomach pain. Punished for them, told I was just trying to get attention. Turns out that was an expression of OCD. And dozens of other things not worth mentioning. The older I got, the more I came to appreciate the level of misunderstandings about my issues which led to even more violence inflicted upon me.

So that is a possible avenue of explanation for why RSD and ADHD seem to be correlated. After speaking with some friends who have borderline disorder (I don't have this, but I do have bipolar disorder type II) it seems to be something they have experienced as well. And a great deal of BPD cases involve trauma.

There is little doubt that something chemical is taking place given that specific gene mutations seem to cause these disorders, or at least predispositions to them. I'm sure that there is a correlation between RSD and the dopamine reuptake issues which characterize ADHD. But the feedback systems in nature vs nurture mean that these disorders can cause problems which themselves exacerbate the disorders or cause new symptoms to present.

Re:How too much daydreaming affected me by lazide on Thursday July 27, 2023 @12:31PM (#36896110)
I'm sorry you had to go through that. That is really terrible.
Re:How too much daydreaming affected me by iamdbtoo on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @05:30PM (#36885358)
This is a fascinating discussion. I have ADHD and have experienced RSD to an extreme level my whole life. I think the RSD has been more deblilitating than the ADHD, honestly. Up 'til now I just figured I was particularly sensitive, but hadn't considered it was amplified/caused by my emotionally neglectful mother.

That would definitely make a lot of sense.

Re:How too much daydreaming affected me by soulofmischief on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:20PM (#36885984)
One of the worst things about emotional neglect is it's a positive feedback mechanism.

You are never taught how to properly tend to the emotions of both yourself and others, so unless you pair with an emotionally well-adjusted partner, you will lack the emotional knowledge required to teach your children better. And what's worse, your brain will relapse into the habits it does have experience, which may often be negative.

Re:How too much daydreaming affected me by lazide on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:01PM (#36886350)
Additionally, most (actually) emotionally well adjusted partners want no part of that kind of deal (at face value) for very real and legitimate reasons, so the partners that do end up matching up will often be those who are either lying to themselves (neglect) or others (abuse) about their own emotional state or their own plans.

And boom, we have the wheel and the multigenerational cycle of abuse.