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Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by linuxftw on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @03:09PM (#36867770)
Trucks need to haul and tow. You need a real steel frame to do that.
Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by giobox on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @03:51PM (#36868364)
The cybertruck will manage 14,000lbs on a monocoque. Just because traditionally this hasn't been the case doesn't mean you can't make a monocoque that can tow. The truck industry has had little incentive to innovate here until very recently as for 40 years vintage body-on-frame architectures have sold and sold. As I said - I'm not disagreeing that body on frame does have some legitimate use cases today - it's just that with modern construction techniques it's much more rarely going to be private transport.
Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by linuxftw on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:07PM (#36868568)
I think if someone tries to tow 14k lbs with a cybertruck, it's going to be ripped in half.
Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by giobox on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:09PM (#36868600)
It's literally rated for 14,000 lbs, so no, it won't.
Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by linuxftw on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:26PM (#36868862)
Rated by who? Because I don't believe Tesla's claim because it seems absolutely outlandish. They would have been building F150's like this decades ago if it were true.
Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by giobox on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:34PM (#36868994)
Has a car manufacturer ever lied about rated tow weights in recent memory? I genuinely don't see the incentive - it would just lead to crashes, warranty claims and eventually a class action lawsuit, or worse if deaths resulted. People rely on these numbers to drive safely.

14,000 lbs is absolutely within realms of normal/possible for a nearly 20 foot long 6000lb truck - its more or less exactly the same as high-spec Ford trucks.

Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by linuxftw on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:56PM (#36869383)
Has Tesla ever promised something and not delivered, I think that's the real question. Another question is, how often are Teslas totaled for what would be a minor accident in another vehicle?

All that twisting and bending force being applied to a unibody, I can't see it ending well.

Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by lesuorac on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:19PM (#36869759)
Tesla's Model X (depending on options) has a towing capacity of 5k lbs [1]. As far as I can tell, nobody is claiming that this is false and there's a few anecdotes of people with 5k campers they tow.

So, afaik, historical claims by Tesla on towing capacity are true so there seems to be more reason to believe a future towing claim is accurate based on previous towing claims than believe it's false because previous non-towing claims have been false.

[1]: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modelx/en_us/GUID-7A684E2...

Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by linuxftw on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:07PM (#36870305)
5k on a unibody is standard. I'm just talking about feature claims in general.

I think we're going to see Cybertrucks with totally trashed frames if they try to go live with 14k loads.

Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by linuxftw on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:47PM (#36870799)
It's standard in the sense that the vast majority of unibody vehicles produced today have a 5k towing limit.
Re:GM reverses plan to retire Chevrolet Bolt as it chases EV... by dangus on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @03:42PM (#36883736)
It’s not even available for sale.