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Re:“Devil’s horsemen”: Why Mongol horse archers were history... by hef19898 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @07:41AM (#36860871)
Fortifications, armored cavalry help as well. There are only so many fortresses you can ignore before your supply lines are cut. And only so many sieges you can upkeep at the same time, as a army focusing on strategic mobility at that, before you get out maneuvered by a smaller, bit more mobile, enemy force.

That being said, the Mongols failed to build a lasting empire in Europe / West of the Ural. They pretty much did build a lasting one between the Ural and, sometimes including, mainland China.

Re:“Devil’s horsemen”: Why Mongol horse archers were history... by Retric on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:33AM (#36861306)
The mongols where shockingly good at defeating fortifications see the 13 day siege of Baghdad etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)

Re:“Devil’s horsemen”: Why Mongol horse archers were history... by hef19898 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:54AM (#36861518)
They were! The Mongols were a true, global super power, on oar with Alexanders Macedons and ancient Rome.
Re:“Devil’s horsemen”: Why Mongol horse archers were history... by Simon_O_Rourke on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @02:19AM (#36873733)
In the very large set of "this was particularly nasty" things that make up the early middle ages, this one really stands out. I have little doubt that this siege and subsequent sacking effectively set back humanity as a whole - and for the sole and simple reason that the caliph sent a snooty reply back to the Mongols.
Re:“Devil’s horsemen”: Why Mongol horse archers were history... by panick21_ on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:57AM (#36862287)
The Mongols failed because the Khan died and the army had to retrain and after that the empire fractured. After that the 4 major part all deal with many local issues and also fight each other.
Re:“Devil’s horsemen”: Why Mongol horse archers were history... by hef19898 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @10:04AM (#36862413)
It was four heirs, wasn't it? Charlemagne had two, a split that still shows in Europe to this day.

And I'd hardly say the Mongols failed just because they couldn't hold to western Europe.

Re:“Devil’s horsemen”: Why Mongol horse archers were history... by panick21_ on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @10:21AM (#36862657)
> It was four heirs, wasn't it?

The direct heir actually didn't split. It was only later the families split.

> And I'd hardly say the Mongols failed just because they couldn't hold to western Europe.

I mean failed to hold Europe.

Re:“Devil’s horsemen”: Why Mongol horse archers were history... by hef19898 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @11:09AM (#36863453)
I really have to read up on the Mongols, and central asian history in general. That subject is terribly undercoverd in Western history. For somewhat understandable reasons, but still.
Re:“Devil’s horsemen”: Why Mongol horse archers were history... by boomboomsubban on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @11:38AM (#36863918)
>Charlemagne had two, a split that still shows in Europe to this day.

Charlemagne passed the entire empire to Louis the Pious, and Louis the Pious had three heirs that split the empire. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Verdun