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Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by 1shooner on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @12:50AM (#36858019)
Trademarks are comprised of existing fonts all the time.
Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by wolrah on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @01:16AM (#36858219)
I think the "single letter" part is important here. AFAIK trademarks can't be too simple and generic. Sort of like how Intel couldn't trademark 286/386/486, so instead of 586 we got Pentium.
Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by throwaway09223 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @01:33AM (#36858345)
No, it's not important. It's just wrong, as clearly illustrated by the article we're all discussing.

Microsoft applied for, and obtained, a trademark for "x". Companies do this all the time. Companies also trademark numbers all the time. Dale Earnhardt trademarked the number "1": https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75439039&caseType=SERIAL_...

Intel lost their trademark battle because they didn't attempt to register the trademark until the 486 - more than a decade after the numbers were in common use by other chip manufactures.

It has nothing to do with whether the mark is simple.

Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by nashashmi on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @01:53AM (#36858472)
Are you sure it is the letter and not the graphic that is trademarked?
Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by zimpenfish on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @03:02AM (#36858923)
It does say "Standard Character Claim: No" which (as best I can tell from [1]) means it is the particular form of that letter[2], not the letter itself, which is trademarked.

[1] https://smallbusiness.chron.com/standard-character-claim-mea...

[2] Although it is a pretty generic "1".

Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by TehCorwiz on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:08AM (#36861089)
The specimen on that application are clearly more than just the numeral ‘1’. There’s obviously design there. This does not appear to be equivalent.
Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by sokoloff on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:39AM (#36860403)
I thought that Peugeot had a trademark on car models of the form X0Y (where X and Y were single digits), resulting in the Porsche 901 being renamed to the 911 that we now know.
Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by Kuinox on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @09:20AM (#36861784)
Apple trademark the word Apple.
Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by realusername on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @01:22AM (#36858278)
In this case the entire logo previously exists though.

I'm not sure similar cases exist but it's similar as using an old public domain logo as your own.

Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by ben_w on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:19AM (#36859872)
Now I'm curious where the original Apple logo came from…

(And now I know: designed by Ron Wayne, so not public domain at all; and I'd forgotten about the ribbons with the text)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_of_Apple_Inc.#/media...

Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by jameshart on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @10:25AM (#36862708)
Of course you can.

3M, Scotch, Crate & Barrel, Lufthansa and Jeep all have legitimate trademarked word marks that consist of nothing more than their name written in Helvetica.

Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by freejazz on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @10:39AM (#36862950)
That's a word mark... it doesn't matter what font it's in because the mark relates to the words, not a specific design of the words in display...
Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by jameshart on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:36PM (#36869020)
The word mark registers the word as a trademark.

The typographical and design treatment of the word can have separate trademark protection.

That can be true whether or not a design mark is registered.

If you started a car company called ‘Beep’ and write its name in olive green Helvetica Black, Jeep might struggle to make a case about your name’s similarity to their word mark (beep is a different word and rhyming is not a crime), but they for sure could take you to court for stealing their trade dress.

Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by freejazz on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:07PM (#36869572)
So rather than make the point that the use in helvetica is captured in the word mark (it isn't) you instead add trade dress into this??
Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by jameshart on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @07:09PM (#36870984)
Not in the word mark registration, sure. But registration is not the whole of trademark law is it?

‘Word mark’ is also just a term of art in graphic design referring to a logo consisting of just text - another word for logotype. Should I have said logotype instead?

Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by freejazz on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @12:28PM (#36880386)
It's captured in the trade dress - that's all you had to say. You don't have to say its captured in the word mark, because it isn't!
Re:Twitter’s Rebrand to X Could Be a Trademark Nightmare Tha... by jameshart on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @04:13PM (#36868665)
Which is irrelevant to whether or not they are valid as trademarks